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If someone comes here and says they are seriously depressed and has decided to take antidepressants, how in the world is it irresponsible to discuss the pros and cons? That's ridiculous. I would advise that the decision is totally theirs and it should be an educated one.
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The part that I think is irresponsible is omitting the crucial information that there are alternatives to drug treatment for even severe depression which can work extremely well and which are healthy for you anyway. Every day there are people arriving at this site who clearly have depression and are clearly doing nothing about it except for taking drugs.
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You just gave steph a thumbs up for saying that no one should advise someone to go off meds. That it should be a physicians decision.
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Right. I agree with Steph about that.
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Speaking of science the only link I have seen you post is Dr Mark Hyman. Plus a couple like the two above that other people had posted.
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I occasionally link to Andrew Weil's sites as well. Those are two sources that are really easy to read which I also personally trust.
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I answered your questions in the other thread. I pointed out his beliefs I disagree with. I don't like his tactics and his goal to get rid of psyche meds. I am entitled to that opinion. I agree with steph that it is irresponsible to scare some one off their meds.
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I see. I think you mean post #89 (long thread!). Thanks a lot for pulling out specific passages that you disagree with. The thing is, I don't see anything in there that is obviously wrong. Let me pick out the most controversal-sounding thing that I see:
"They have imposed upon Western society a faith in fake biological explanations, concocted diagnoses, and toxic drugs that do infinitely more harm than good.
We do not falsely attribute emotional suffering and personal difficulties to genetics and biochemistry."
OK. I can see that this is controversial in the sense that it contradicts the practice of many many medical professionals. On the other hand, I'm not sure he's wrong. If depression, for instance, is determined by genetics and biochemistry, how come depression is sometimes essentially cured by, say, meditation or therapy alone? I have to say that his statement seems a bit exaggerated, but I suspect that he's trying to make the point that if you think that depression is caused by genetics and, say, the serotonin level in your brain, you will think that you are helpless to improve other than by taking a drug which will increase your serotonin level.
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I have praised Dr. Mark Hyman because the Cleveland Clinic hired him.
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I noticed and appreciated that.
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From what I can tell he doesn't study depression or mental illness though.
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He does. See 13:44 into the video that I usually link to above.
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You point out how he says the following things can cause depression but you provide no scientific evidence to back them up. I am not saying they don't but you post his statements and don't provide anything to back it up. I am sure they do cause it in some cases.
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I'm not personally claiming that they do. I'm just claiming that Dr. Hyman said that, 13:44 into his talk.
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I have addressed those issues and they don't cause my depression. I haven't been tested for heavy metals. I dunno how they even test for it if it is lodged in your brain. I have not taken antibiotics in many years but who hasn't taken them. It says "Took antibiotics" does that mean taking them years ago is causing depression now?
I have taken many supplements and vitamins.
L methylfolate, many people have a gene poly morphism that causes them to not be able to turn folate into l methylfolate and then into monoamines. Took it for six months with no help. Its expensive. To know for sure you need a gene test. Here is the science. One gene polymorphism causes folate to not be formed efficiently, another polymorphism causes folate to not be turned into L Methylfolate.
CNS Spectrums: Novel Therapeutics for Depression: L-methylfolate as a Trimonoamine Modulator and Antidepressant-Augmenting Agent
SamE
L Tryptophan
St. Johns Wort
Fish oil
Vitamin D
Melatonin
Others
If I take something for six months and notice not difference at all then it seems not worth it. I still take fish oil, vitamin D, Melatonin, and B vitamins because they make sense to me for some reason, maybe because there is more evidence.
I drink Odwalla Super Food to partly get what I need. I like it and it is easy.
Original Superfood Drink | Odwalla
Someone above said they have addressed these issues and they were not the cause.
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You typed all this on your iPhone?? That's pretty impressive in itself.
I also never got really noticeable effects from supplements alone. I used to drink Odwalla Super Food but I don't anymore as I think it's got too much sugar (it's also expensive). I'm trying to keep my glycemic load way down as a general way to be healthier.
You may be annoyed at me at this point and I think you've tried lots of things, but I suspect that you still haven't tried the three things that I have seen at this sight that people claim made a huge difference for them: meditation, brain training and "SNAP CLUB." For me, this had a huge effect. It was much more powerful than any drug I took.
By the way, what do you think of this?
Also, what was this thread about again?
- vital