I guess i should clarify. What i'm trying to say is that there are risks associated with any program. some people go cold turkey. That did not work for me but for some it does. If NA or AA works for you, then by all means keep doing it. It's just that some people can be awfully naive and others can be awfully predatory, which is not a good combination.

And I'm not sure there is anything sick about people talking to one another in a chat room. I'm not sure I see the downside to that, especially on a moderated forum like this. Sick is probably not the right word at all... And yes, I said 68% failure rate, but of course there are three types of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.