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Originally Posted by Sometimes psychotic
Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The cat is used an an example to show that quantum physics does not work all the time not to validate it. The idea is that the cat being both alive and dead at the same time is in fact impossible despite the fact that quantum physics would predict it to be both alive and dead at once. Therefore there is a point at which the math we have for quantum physics does not apply. The physics of subatomic particles is vastly different than it is for cats or humans for that matter.
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Yes I understand that the example was originally intended to point out a flaw in the theory, but there are physicists who argue that the theory still applies to bigger particles, including cats. From the article you linked:
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However, since Schrödinger's time, other interpretations of the mathematics of quantum mechanics have been advanced by physicists, some of which regard the "alive and dead" cat superposition as quite real.
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Now my post was not intended to induce a debate about whether we believe this is true or not. I merely use the example to illustrate how my thinking that the cat
could be both dead and alive at the same time led me to think about other things we consensually believe to be absolute truths.
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Originally Posted by faerie_moon_x
I would say you are ill. And not a fraud.
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Thank you Faerie, you are very kind, but I'm not actually looking for more observer data. As Sometimes said in her first post, I've had quite enough of that already.
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Originally Posted by faerie_moon_x
Here's why:
Looping obsessive thought brought on by an outside catalyst.
In this case your catalyst is being told you're a fraud. And you can't say that you are, but you feel you are, so now you must research endlessly to find out if you are.
This is not the action of a fraud. Perhaps the action of an ill person who would like to know they are not ill, even if that means actually being a bad person for faking.
I've been gone for a while now and this was happening to you all those months ago. So, this to me is yet another sign that even if your Dx was not the one you had originally, you still operate as a person like me. And I do the looping anxiety driven research and search for answers, too. Especially in stressful situations.
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Whilst I have been mulling this problem over for months, I don't generally have obsessions, though I can see how this comes across as a fixation to observers. I am an intellectual sort of person and I typically solve problems by thinking about them but, before this confusion set in, problems were solved very quickly and so were never an issue. Thinking about reality wasn't actually set into motion by being called attention seeking, though that did greatly exacerbate it, but by being told that some of my experiences were outside of consensus reality and that therefore made me mentally ill.
I am not in denial, nor do I prefer to be considered a fraud over being mentally ill; quite the opposite actually! What I've come to realise is that terms such as 'truth' and 'fraud' and 'ill' are all subjective: they do not reflect tangible things, though many people believe they do (and I can understand why because I used to, and life was a lot simpler then!). The same with individual diagnoses - all constructed. I'm not interested in labelling myself with X diagnosis over Y, because it does not mean anything to me. I am not currently involved with psychiatry, nor do I think that it has anything to offer me. And my T isn't using a particular therapy that only works with a particular diagnosis: he is eclectic and has no interest in labels either.
What I need is a paradigm to
explain my experiences, so that my world makes sense again (I wish I could find a way to be ok with the confusion, but I'm not and I don't know how to be). My post is about how to choose one lie over another and then be ok with my decision. T says this like it's easy, but I don't see how it is. I'm hindered by 28 years of thinking that there are truths, and so I'm not used to thinking and feeling that there isn't. I could decide to tell myself that grass is pink, for example, but how do I convince myself that? Like mantras never work for me because I don't believe them, but I have to believe that the grass is pink for it to work.
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Originally Posted by faerie_moon_x
I don't think you're the cat. I think you're more like a rat in a Skinner box, and this jerk put you in a box with a button (calling you a fraud) that both electrifies the floor yet also gives you food. So you have to keep shocking yourself to get fed, but what you're feeding is anxiety.
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This is a clever image, but I don't really understand how it applies to my situation?? I'm not involved with psychiatry anymore, nor do I understand what the food is supposed to be?
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Originally Posted by hexacoda
My measure of what is moral is whether an action harms or has the potential to harm others. I'm not sure if that helps you, but it may be something to consider - who is being harmed by either option, if anyone? I don't believe in moral absolutes beyond what is most conducive for myself as an individual and for my communities.
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Thank you! Well 'truth' 1 could hurt me and my family & friends, but 'truth' 2 hurts lots of faceless strangers financially. It is 'better' to hurt fewer people than more, but what about if the strangers don't know that they're being hurt?? Ethics weigh heavily in my mind, always have, but I feel that my thinking of morality in this decision is still stuck in the idea of truth vs lie. Choosing a lie that benefits me over the truth that doesn't is bad in my mind...but if there is no truth, then is there no morality too?? I don't know...
If I could just resolve this fricking problem, then life would be so much less stressful for me! And a lot of other decisions would make themselves
*Willow*