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Originally Posted by zinco14532323
I have absolutely no problem with anyone trying SNAP CLUB. I think I have been practicing the same concept for many years in the form of meditation, mindfulness, CBT, and AA's 10th step. I see those techniques as including your underlying theory behind snap club and including much much more.
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I haven't done AA, but I've done meditation, mindfulness and CBT, and, at least in my case, SNAP CLUB felt very different and it worked really, really dramatically well. For me, it worked far better than anything I had tried including meditation, mindfulness, CBT, yoga, exercise, Celexa or Zoloft or anything else. I am sympathetic to where you are coming from. It SOUNDS like just a superficial trick. The thing is, I think it isn't.
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Originally Posted by zinco14532323
It seems to me you have simplified the causes to - An underlying medical condition like hypo thyroidism, Vitamin D deficiency, toxic metals, and so on (these I think are a very small percentage of cases), OR the core underlying cause being your theory behind snap club. I am here to tell you it is much much more complicated than that. The best minds in the world who make a living studying it will tell you it is much much more complicated that that.
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That's the thing. I don't think that these conditions are rare at all. That's based on what Mark Hyman says about his own practice. Just to pick one example, I think that it's quite possible that large numbers of people who are being treated with antidepressants and therapy right now actually have depression from omega 3 fat deficiency.
It may be that depression is much more complicated that what I'm saying or that I'm right for some kinds of depressions but not for others, or I might be just plain wrong. I have suspicions about this but I certainly don't know the answer.
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Originally Posted by zinco14532323
I think you have good ideas and your reasoning is sound it is just much more complex than that. Especially for those of us with severe, chronic, treatment resistant depression. I don't think snap club can hurt and it might help a great deal. I dunno. Discovering the core cause and solution is a rather bold claim.
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It is indeed a bold claim. It is a hypothesis with testable predictions only, at this point, as I hope I make clear in the note. I really do think that it is actually correct, though, partly that's from my own experience, partly it's because people who try it seem to feel it and seem to recognize their own experience in what I'm saying and partly because I think it makes sense with what is already known about depression. It seems to me that it makes a lot of sense in the context of the "learned helplessness" theory of depression and helps to explain things like the "plant study."
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Originally Posted by zinco14532323
There is really no evidence. I have noticed that some people who were pretty excited about snap club and were trying it and having some success have posted since then that they were very very suicidal. I can't say how well it may or may not work. I have your success story only to go on. It would take quite a number of people reporting symptom free lasting results to have something to go on. There are only three or four total of those types of stories in depression success stories. Not much data to go on. I am pretty big on evidence based medicine.
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It is very true that there isn't enough evidence to claim that snap club is an effective treatment much less that the theory is correct. With something as slippery and susceptible to the placebo effect as depression I'm sure it's easy to be lead astray. I think I'll know over time. I've talked to several professionals in Boston. All seem to like the idea and at least one is trying it out.
In the mean time, it's safe, easy and even fun to try and you even know if it's going to do something for you pretty quickly.
- vital