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Old Dec 23, 2014, 02:49 PM
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I think we disagree on what are reliable sources. If we want to warn of the dangers of psyche meds which do exist then it should be based on the best overall current reliable information. This has to be backed up by scientific studies. I have posted many reliable sources on what is known about the dangers of psyche meds. I don't think it is responsible to scare people about them unless there is lots of evidence that says something is true. You usually post a link to one video on youtube with a doctors opinion but no sources to back it up. In the one case of the Church of Scientology that may have been an honest mistake but it shows you didn't look much further than what was said in the video. Dr. Mark Hyman seems like a credible man of integrity but I do not know if his hypothesis have been proven. He talked the director of the Cleveland Clinic to give him a shot at proving it. So now he is doing clinical trials. Not related to mental health. We have to await the results and then others have to perform similar studies.

If someone asks me my experience with a certain med I will give it to them. If they ask for a recommendation I will give it to them. I do not see anti depressants as unsafe long term based on my experience, the experience of people I know, the fact that millions of people have taken them for decades, and what scientific information is available. I am pointing out current research which I am very much interested in. There is quite a bit of evidence that antidepressants promote neurotropic growth factors and neuron growth and new connections and may well be healthy for the brain. I know of no evidence that says thay damage the brain long term and permanently. There are studies that show that AP's and AAP's have metabolic effects and can cause long term brain damage. As we have discussed that is a highly individualized decision based on the benefits they are receiving from a certain med. They should be aware of the facts though. Many people make the trade off. It has been shown that on average people with bi polar ! have a twenty year lower life expectancy, so someone might figure the benefits outweigh the risks depending on what side effects they get and how much benefit to quality of life.

The psyche med section is for discussing psyche meds pros and cons and peoples direct experience with them. Decisions should be based on the best reliable information as I have said and I have listed multiple times what sources I consider reliable. Scaring people off of them can be dangerous.

Now I totally agree with you that I should not have titled that one post "Antidepressants and Pregnancy". That was a poor choice of words. I did not at all mean to imply they are safe for pregnant women. I don't know the data on that. I believe some are considered safe. This was one study on mice that had interesting results. I should have titled it "Study on Mice" or something. I actually copied it from the Current Events Section.

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but I think you're acting as filter through which good news about drugs preferentially flows
I don't see how I am acting as a filter. I am posting links to reliable sources on whatever the topic may be. I am not shying away from the dangers. In a recent post where I recommended Fetzima I pointed out the there may be side effects and possible withdrawals when stopping it. And I have often posted links on the dangers.

I don't see anything wrong with posting reliable studies that say antidepressants cause neurogenesis. These are real science studies and there is not just one of them. I didn't make them up.

There are at least 8 or 10 separate studies by prestigious institutions talking about antidepressants and nerogenesis. This is relevant information.

Neurogenesis and antidepressants.

Unraveling the Mystery of How Antidepression Drugs Work - Scientific American

Neuropsychopharmacology - Fluoxetine-Induced Cortical Adult Neurogenesis

Fluoxetine-induced cortical adult neurogenesis. - PubMed - NCBI

Antidepressants increase human hippocampal neurogenesis by activating the glucocorticoid receptor

Chronic Antidepressant Treatment Increases Neurogenesis in Adult Rat Hippocampus

The Future of Depression Treatment: The Neurogenesis Theory

Promoting adult hippocampal neurogenesis: a novel strategy for anti... - PubMed - NCBI

The Neural Plasticity Theory of Depression: Assessing the Roles of Adult Neurogenesis and PSA-NCAM within the Hippocampus

Depression

A Review of the Neuropharmacology of Bupropion, a Dual Norepinephrine and Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor

How antidepressants spur brain growth
http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjourn...581-6/abstract

http://www.cell.com/trends/pharmacol...2814%2900165-5

Depression, antidepressants and new brain cells
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