I have quit talking to the woman about it. What she said was so unuseful that continuing to converse about it was only going to make it worse. The first one tries to argue with me and the second one remains silent - but neither will agree.
I tried the kid thing (go find one and be around it) and thought the ones I chose must be idiots - even the ones who are my sibling's offspring. Frankly after spending time with some 4-5 year olds, I have no idea how the species has managed to survive thus far.