SD you bring up a very good point. While a forum would have another name if discussion weren't allowed, just how far one is willing to go to "be right" has yet to be determined.

I can give support and commisseration, and occasionally advice, but once it becomes clear that my input isn't needed, I take the high road. There are several posters on PC that I just don't even bother to open their threads, because they get oodles of good advice and keep repeating themselves ad nauseum, NOT taking any advice, which leads me to believe they just want to vent and should not seek advice. People who want to wallow, feel free to wallow, just don't splash any mud on me while I'm trying to get myself clean.

Oh, and a big +1 on the military school idea, as a mom I am not offended by your comment, both my girls would greatly benefit from more structure and discipline.