zen, i could ask you the same question in a multitude of differing guises if i felt it was going to get anyware, i realise now that i am not, not threw my refusal to ask differing questions, more like your refusal to answer anything, i mean twice now i have asked you to ask me serious questions, and twice now you have discounted my written opinion and carried on regardless with crap, damn i give up, mellors is now to be considered has medically retired, and unavailable for comment.