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Originally Posted by Leah123
I don't think it's a tangent- you said basically- so and so agrees with me, here's an expert who corroborates my opinion about psychiatry being awful- and so I'm showing that that's not correct. I think it's quite on point, the point of the title of this thread- that therapy does more harm than good, but dismissing facts and evidence to the contrary as invalid without any credible or substantiated defense.
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I mean the whole discussion about the DSM is a tangent. I am willing to concede that Allen may have conflicts of interest that make his statements questionable and that he has said things in support of psychiatry and drugs as well as in opposition. But again, the fact that such a central figure said such things about the DSM publicly ought to tell you something.
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I do see people are hurt by bad therapy, sometimes enough that they leave in worse mental health than when they started. And I've seen evidence of it. But I don't see that in the majority of cases is all.
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Wow you must have access to quite a compelling set of data to make such a statement. I didnt say anything at all about therapy being bad or good on the whole. I don't have enough info to attempt that.
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I don't think this is a perfect science or all science or that it's harmless- where there's power to do good, is power to do harm.
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I don't think science has much or anything to do with therapy or drug-based psychiatry. Especially the latter.
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But I do want to be fair about discussing it when we have a thread that isn't "I was abused in therapy" or "My bad therapy really hurt me" but "Therapy does more harm than good" in general.
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That's fair. But above you said something similar, in the opposite direction.