Hi Pfrog,

Thanks for your perspective. I did not relate the idea that perhaps PTSD sufferers with ritual or cult-like religious based abuse in their past might not be a good fit for recovery through AA.

I certainly am envious that all it took for you to get sober was a commitment to your therapist. For me, even a $30,000 6 week in patient rehab did not work. That got me to 100 days even working with AA.

It does sound like you went to some groups that did not jive with your mojo. And there are definitely some over controlling sponsors and dogma spewers to deal with from time to time. I can see how this might lead you and the other poster to judge AA members as unintelligent or "maladjusted miscreants" - while almost all AA members have challenges, I would be willing to guess that most are better adjusted in sobriety through the program than they were in active alcoholism.

I absolutely agree that it is not for everyone. I just do not understand the passion for which you and some other oppose it to the point of putting people with whom it is successful down. If AA works for some - great for them, and does not work for others, like you suggest - seek an alternative solution.

For example, if CBT is ineffective for you, and you have better success with DBT - would you make a thread slamming CBT? AA is just another tool that is effective for at least a few people in recovering from alcoholism. Or take a medication, let's say AAPs are not working for you, but some people swear by them - would you make a "Down with AAPs - people who take them are unintelligent maladjusted miscreants!" That's the part I don't relate to.

Glad to have such a detailed and fruitful discussion. Thanks,

moogs