This. I don't see how what you're saying is manipulation? Perhaps I'm confused but I don't think anything having to do with CSA or any other type of abuse should be considered manipulation. I may have overstepped by saying that but I don't think we would ever want to manipulate it to occur because of a reward at the end, I see it as the abuser using the "reward" or whatever as the manipulation tool. Not you. My words never come out right so I hope that makes sense and hasn't upset anyone.