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Originally Posted by marmaduke
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Have to disagree totally!
In psychology there is no longer such a thing as a nature nurture debate.
Yes there is, no good psychologist would rule anything out, all lines of thought and debate should be open. A closed mind, a absolute attitude is not good or open to new research.
Narcissism absolutely runs in families!! What have you been reading!!
Narcissism, Pathological narcissism, NPD is similar to psychopathy in as much as these individuals do not feel empathy.
I am not talking about 'traits' per say, traits can be learnt they are not the same as a innate PD.
Learnt traits can be changed, if that person wants to change.
My father was 'insecure' a fragile narc, but, still a narc who failed to care properly for his children, totally self centered. He was not 'deliberately' cruel however, he was just unaware, oblivious, to the dreadful hurt he caused to his children.
My mother was a covert narc, but malignant. A malignant narc is the worse kind, they know what they are doing and ENJOY causing hurt.
I remember falling down the stairs heavily as a child, top to bottom, bang, bang, bang, crashing to the floor stunned, shocked, hurt and shaking. Mother glanced up from her book and turned away with a sly smile, a smirk, playing on her lips.
She left me to get myself up, I said 'mum I fell down the stairs' she said 'Oh? I never noticed'
I suppose that don't sound much, but I knew from that day on, I was on my own.
No hugs, no comfort, cuddles, no reassurance. Nothing. But a smile.
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Another damn good post. As I just mentioned, narcissism and psychopathy both run very heavily on all sides of my family, you're seen as weird if you AREN'T narcissistic and/or psychopathic... my poor little sister, she's highly empathetic and of course has PTSD from growing up in our ****ed up family.
Agreed that malignant Narcissists are sadistic creatures, one of my father figures was a malignant Narcissist and I am essentially a cripple now because of him... I will be lucky if I can walk by the time I'm in my 40s, yeah that bad. Thankfully that ****er is dead.
I'm glad you brought up the casual indifference of traditional Narcissists, they aren't deliberately trying to be cruel... They just don't care about how their actions affect people because it's all about them.
Psychopaths and malignant Narcissists can have the sadism thing in common. I'm not nearly the level of sadistic as some Psychopaths or malignant Narcissists but I still do think of myself as a sadist and I have no issues admitting that. These days though I find outlets for that part of myself that are far more "prosocial" even if still a bit fringe... lol.
Your mother sounds like a ****ing witch and not in the good way either. I take it you don't still have contact with her or others in your family?