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Old Dec 23, 2015, 03:33 PM
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So I frequent a few other sites with a lot of intelligent people - some outright geniuses.
Hello.

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Well, there's one person I found who I'm pretty sure is perfect...and I guess I'm trying to figure out what to do, knowing (feeling?) that such a person existing just seems to make my own existence worthless.
I mentioned in a recent post to you that there are more important things than intelligence. I'm fairly certain that you don't believe it, but it is true.

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First, she has Asperger's Syndrome, and all the intellectual perks that come with that.
I am being tested in January. They'll discover that I am on the autism spectrum as well.

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She was extraordinarily gifted as a child, regularly sent out of the class to the library since there was nothing for her there, and effectively banned form playing trivia games since she always won. She's a certified genius and a "visual-spacial savant": she worked her way through college at 15...
Again, an obvious and overzealous jealousy toward intelligence. I too am a certified genius. Full academic scholarship to Philips Exeter *look that one up and be amazed* Although I didn't make it to college till I was sixteen. *hangs head in shame*

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...and is now "hated in several professional fields" because she's so brilliant and competent she regularly makes the experts looks bad.
Full stop. Look, as BuildABridge correctly points out, people can say anything on the internet. Including me - so don't take what I say at face value, think about it and if it makes sense - then believe it.

I have made significant contributions in a number of fields as well, including but not limited to hydroponics, optics, encryption, and heck, I just realized how long this list is going to get so let me stop right there. My point is, I am not hated in any of those fields. It's about understanding people and how they operate - and not talking down to them. And you know why I don't talk down to them? Because I'm not better than them. I may be smarter, but I sure as **** aren'y better. Sort of like this person may be skinnier than me but they aren't better.

What is it that ever single person in the world wants? It isn't money; it isn't sex; it isn't intelligence. Think about it - what it is that you want more than anything in the world? If people are honest, they'll realize that the one thing they want more than anything in the world is to be happy. Now it is true that some people think that a billion dollars, or irresistible sex appeal, or another hundred IQ points will give them happiness, but that's what their after. It's what your friend is after too, but for all her intelligence, she's not smart enough to figure out how to be happy.

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In fact, she's regularly asked not to talk about herself in general company because she makes people feel inferior.
People can feel inferior all by themselves; secure people don't allow some pompous *** to bring those feelings out in themselves - and no one MAKES you feel anything.

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She's had a few different jobs and been indispensable at all of them, sometimes single-handedly replacing entire teams and doing a better job alone than the group ever could.
Unless every single one of those companies folded up and went bankrupt after she left, she was not indispensable.

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She as a professor for a while but quit because she found her students so unbearably stupid.
You teach people from where they are, not where you want them to be. I've taught as well. It's imminently more satisfying to find a way to bridge the gap between one hundred IQ points than it is to teach someone who is sufficiently intelligent to have taught themselves out of the textbook. It sounds much more likely that she is unbearably intolerant.

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Things like dating and making friends is difficult because she's always correcting people and bluntly pointing out their faults, and since people are offended by the truth, only want validation and can't handle negative emotion (an explanation she gave to some of the claims in the thread I linked) she's usually alone.
We've spoken in the spirituality forum before. What I didn't say there that I'll say here is that my spiritual beliefs have borrowed from many traditions. Among the more heavily borrowed from are Buddhism, Taoism, Huna, and psychology. In fact, when I'm forced to check a box, I check Buddhist. So let me give you a line from another pretty intelligent guy - the Buddha.

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"It is spoken at the right time. It is spoken in truth. It is spoken affectionately. It is spoken beneficially. It is spoken with a mind of good-will." AN 5.198
One might argue about whether or not she chose the right time, and we'll assume that she is always right and give her 'truth'. Can even she make the argument that what she says is spoken affectionately, or that it is beneficial, or with a mind of good will? And let me suggest that true or not, it is not beneficial if the person can't hear you - even if it is through a fault of their own.

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In addition to being a technical genius, she's apparently talented in design (she makes her own clothes to accommodate sensory issues, and claims to be better dressed than most people), cooking (posts food porn on occasion), and is practically spiritually enlightened after practicing Zen for 15 years.
There is nothing in your description of her that speaks of spiritual enlightenment. You'd be surprised at the folks I met in thirty-seven years of practicing Buddhism and they all have certain qualities in common. She's missing all of them.

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Throw in a strict kind of "Stop whining and work" attitude towards and disgust at those who don't grow up, again, we basically have a mental powerhouse here. This person's only apparent faults are a lack of compassion/kindness, which again, she explains that it isn't her job to cater to people's hypersensitive egos and follow their illogical social rules.
It is mildly entertaining to hear her talk about ego, and immeasurably sad.

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So she's basically perfect, which means I damn well better listen when she says something like this (actual quote I remembered and dug up)
You are entitled to your own definition of perfect, but objectively, this isn't it.

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I've had people tell me I should write. I would love to write, but it seems every time I sit down to, whatever ideas I had seem to evaporate. I do know that said story ideas would likely involve some degree of angst and emotion and insecurity in the characters (and as to the idiocy of it...well, I'm a living embodiment of that). And with me it has nothing to do with marketing, but expression.

The entire point as what I could remember of this quote was wondering if I should even bother, since I'll probably be no good (the vast majority of authors write poorly and aren't engaging, what makes me think I'm any different?). And of course, there's the shame in my own literary tastes (I like some of the classics, and plenty of modern novels. It seems that anything I like, media-wise, actually intelligent people can't stand); I probably only find what I like engaging because I'm too stupid to know otherwise. If I wrote and it was a success, it would probably just be because I attracted the lowest common denominator.
What on earth is the point of writing the most perfect book ever if no one reads it? What if you wrote a book that explained perfectly how everyone who read your book could achieve everlasting happiness - but no one could understand it? A book is worthless if it can't connect with the reader.

I encourage you to write.

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And this is more than some random person on the internet. Take a look at this person's accomplishments.
Take a look at this person's shortcomings.

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So I'm sitting here, wondering if I should give up, if I should even bother trying, with writing or anything else. I'm almost ashamed to feel much now that I have this in my head, since I can just see this kind of person being totally disgusted by my inner psychodrama where I'm so special and my feelings so important. I'm not even sure what I want from this thread, other than to see what outsiders think, and wondering what I should do, mentally. I kind of wanted to just put on some blinders, pretend this person and others like her don't exist, and do whatever I want, but something in the lack of integrity there bothers me.
There are two ways to lift oneself. One is by stepping on others. Lifting oneself at the expense of others is not greatness.