Know what you mean. I have a daughter that hasn't spoken to me in 7 yrs, too. I've pretty much given up on her and her two sons. Hubby keeps me up on what's going on with them because she still speaks to him and her syblings. It's been a tough row to hoe, for sure! But at least, she doesn't play games. She's consistant.

Don't know what I'm going to do about this DIL. What kills me is what she's doing to the kids, especially my granddaughter. Last time DIL pulled this, I had an opportunity to assert myself and interacted with my granddaughter. I saw the hesitation in her eyes as she started to run towards me. Since then, when I tell her I love her, I make sure to say that NOTHING will ever change that, even if there will be times we won't be able to see each other. What's difficult to believe is that my son lets it happen! He was the only one that talked until he was blue in the face when my daughter first shut me out of her life. He was the only one with the courage of his convictions and didn't go to family gatherings if I wasn't invited! Now he's letting his wife pull the same thing. I just don't know!

LOL "Poopyhead" is MILD to what I've been calling him to myself!