This is not completely accurate in terms of me. The woman does have knowledge, or at least should, about therapy and what she is doing that I would happily listen to. She refuses to explain so I see the he second one for the explanation and information. The first one's refusal does not prevent me obtaining said information, I just don't obtain it from her. Should she ever decide to become forthcomng about what her purpose is, I will listen. But without that information, I then have no reason to let her talk. She is not inadequate at staying back and so I use her for that.