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Old Mar 10, 2016, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DechanDawa View Post
Like it or not, alpha is a fact, in all of the animal world, including the human world. In some species the female is alpha, as with horses. In certain human cultures the male is alpha, but in other cultures the female is alpha. Of course if there is alpha there is beta. It is just a fact. You are the one putting a value judgement on it. I never said an alpha male was "better" than a "beta" male, but if a male is loud and even overbearing he may get more attention from the ladies. This has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the alpha male has the ability to sustain a relationship. To say that the alpha male is good at attracting women but bad at sustaining a relationship is a value judgement I would not make. I said that alpha males are wearing because they are very energetic, and are constantly pursuing goals and they expect everyone to keep up with them. As partners they can be very exciting and inspiring.

When I was in graduate school I used to count how many times the males in class spoke or were called on to speak, as opposed to the females. It turned out that on average the males spoke three times as much as the females! It was infuriating. But simply fact. I asked other females why they didn't speak out. They said they had things to say but often the men would speak first. The women were not being rewarded for being more thoughtful and reticent. I do not know where you are and what the culture is. There are some cultures where making direct eye contact is rude, such as with Native Americans. I have had Native American friends. The way to communicate with them is for both people to look towards the horizon.

If you are in a modern western culture a woman may wait for you to make eye contact with her before opening a conversation. But not always. Woman are becoming more assertive.

There may be subconscious factors at play, as well. Men of all ages have always communicated with me so I have never had a dilemma of approaching a man. It may be that my body language somehow unconsciously sends the message I am approachable. I was raised with a bunch of very extroverted brothers and so grew up very comfortable around males.
Yes, I don't like it, and I think we humans don't have alpha males in the sense it's found in other animals like chimps. In his book Moral Origins: The Evolution of Virtue, Altruism, and Shame, Christopher Boehm goes to a large extent to explain how homo sapiens were egalitarian most of our time on Earth. The hierarchical structure (which isn't exactly as found in other animals, it's more political and religious) arose just 5000 years ago, when people began to live in larger societies. I think it has something to do with the appearance of religion. (I hate to talk about these things, because it doesn't help mee)

Anyway, what you're describing is fine, it's just the label that I think is misused. Again, males are different. I didn't say that confident men necessarily don't have good relationships, as it's not fair to make the same generalization about shy people. I just meant they are different. Issac Newton was introvert/shy (some says he might had ASD from his behaviors), so he was successful professionally, but socially he was a disaster. You can find an extrovert who is a disaster professionally, but socially successful. So, being confident or shy doesn't make you necessarily successful in everything in life. That's what I meant by they are different.

At the end all these are abstract stuff. Not useful.