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Old Mar 14, 2016, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by venusss View Post
I meant mostly one particular thing. There is small number of unmedicated folks here. And we do mostly well. So we don't appreciate when somebody new comes to us and tells us that we need to go back on our meds or we will die.

Or there is a poster who has been complaining about their doctor for long time, for a reason and then somebody comes and says they need to trust their doctor.... because you need to trust your doctor, because he is a doctor.

Or something equally lame. It happened few times.

Surely, maybe these people mean well... but some go in "you are delusional!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111" mode based on the fact somebody does not follow the regular docs and meds and Ts route... or if they do anything out there.

I have been recently adviced psychiatrist for issue that is mix of geopolitics and trauma, lol. Again, I see the good intention, but with five years of membership and thousands of posts.... you really think I never thought of the first obvious solution to being crazy?
I totally (as far as such a thing is possible) see where you are coming from.

The scientific community and clinicians are many times totally at a loss how to help or just understand us, other than prescribing meds they just found out by much trail-and-error or outside influences/suggestions (being still too proud to admit them) that work (always just really effectively) for a subgroup.

They have little interest in finding essential divisions in those diagnosed with anything, because it would only create more complexity and more niches to market meds to.

I fully agree that one (given the right circumstances) can manage without meds. Brain toxicity I posit as a big causative factor in predisposing people to psychosis/mania (it is a fairly safe bet as well; I am not at all some great genius to have come up with, or agreed with, that), but excitation is a big part (and for some maybe the only/major) of that toxicity: anxiety, fear, impulsivity, overactivity and too little in the diet to protect against them.

All those may very well be manageable without meds. But some other toxicity and some underlying (psychotic) causes really need to be treated by medication.

I do think that there comes a time for (next to) everyone that meds are no longer necessary. Dependent on genetic and biochemical factors, supplements might still be.

Apart from psychological intervention, such things as caffeine and nicotine might just be enough.

But, again, I admire your unwavering stance. It is sometimes sorely needed here (and in society at large).

Even though you might not like it (I wouldn't know): .
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