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40+ years ago, people were talking about sentient AI, not many talk about it any more. In fact, AI isn't used as a technical term anymore because of the wasted money and hype from the 50's to the 80's when it became downright toxic.
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Really? I thought there was still talk about computers surpassing human intelligence by 2045 or a little later.
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People mistake me as a tech over everything person, and despite my education I am a bit of a Luddite. For example, I hate my "smart" phone and really hate things like Twitter and Facebook. They are a pox on humanity, but at least Facebook can help you reconnect with long lost friends, so it has some positive value. Twitter? A cesspool, imo.
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I've noticed there are two kinds of tech people: the technophiles who love every new miraculous developent that exists and can't freaking wait for the singularity to happen, and people like you who might make stuff but ultimately are a little less optimistic.
I'm a tech idiot, I don't have a smartphone (mostly because money) and can't really be bothered with social media - though I've considered making some under a fake name as an exercise in image management, and because Facebook sign-in is convenient.
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Computers assist in art and scientific discovery but the software to not only do it independently, but also have that software know it is good art or an actual scientific discovery is not in our near future. Don't believe the hype.
Have you noticed how bad programs like Word are at a lot of grammar correction(their, there, they're, for example)? Now imagine Word trying to judge the quality of your writing.
There is a longstanding question in computer science, in fact if you can prove or disprove it there is a $1 million reward and you would likely win all sorts of awards and lots of fame.
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How about things like this:
A computer program is writing great, original works of classical music. Will human composers soon be obsolete?
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These are the puzzles I try to decipher every day, in the persuit for a machine that will one day be able to help us invent new things. New machines, new spaceshuttles, computers and medication. The minds of robots, laced with creative abilities, handle unexpected situations on their own initiative.
We’ve already seen AI systems do it to some extent. We keep working on expanding these systems, and they keep getting better at it. I asked earlier whether computers would ever be capable of invention. They are.
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Can Computers Write Music That Has A Soul? | Co.Design | business + design This article I deliberately went hunting for. Read that opening paragraph. As an aspiring writer who places a value on self-expression and authenticity, that's utterly repulsive and horrifying. I realize it's a fictitious example, but it seems they can already do it with music...
Quick question about the part I deleted here - what are "p" and "np"? My dumb brain is thinking "plausible/possible" and "not plausible/possible", but I thought I'd ask?
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If your fears play out, I don't think that people will lay down and die. People are driven by purpose, the current status quo is finding jobs to pay for life, but they also start side business, self-study, raise families, etc. That won't change. There are a lot of people on this site who can't work, including me, that still find a purpose in life, as hard as it can be sometimes. I am fortunate in that my hobby is my college major. But I have other hobbies and I help raise my grandkids.
People are pretty flexible when they need to be and there are economic models being explored to mitigate any massive loss of jobs if that does eventually happen. Humans are great in being able to adapt, even when we don't want to.
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I was thinking that this morning. Sleep always seems to help me the most in problems like this, I swear I wake up with a fresh perspective. And it occurred to me that, simply, I don't have enough faith in humanity on this topic. Enough faith that we could adapt.
Like I said, though I've seen others claim that inability to lie down and die as hubris or unwarranted self-importance, or being afraid of progress, or something. Doesn't make any sense to me. Live or die, it's all just because we want to.
My concern was if all the possible purposeful things have been relegated to machines that do them better. That includes creative pursuits and business-owning (weirdly enough, I'd almost like so see if someone could make an artificial CEO or something. THAT would be a laugh. I'm willing to bet it would be super successful too). Self-study is nice...but it's totally pointless if there's no way you could utilize it, in my opinion.
Not to be rude, but it seems I always get the best advice from people significantly older than myself (you mentioned grandkids...). I guess one reason this worries me so much is the potential for it to happen in my lifetime; it's possible, some say, the end of labor as we know it could happen within my lifetime, or the end of money. And change tends to scare the hell out of me until it actually happens and I have to face it in real time.