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Old Mar 29, 2016, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaybird57 View Post
I've gone back to look. I don't see how my (I won't speak for anyone else) support of an ill-equipped therapist's referral of a client is abandonment or justification of his "asshoic ways" when he is clearly and admittedly NOT trained to support or work with effectively with the client. (Is the article written in kind, empathetic, power balance manner? No, but that doesn't change the fact that the referral is most likely correct. Who wants to work with an A hole that is ill-equipped and frightened?)

How is what I have said, "telling other women to get out of the work force so a man can have their job?" I'm sorry, SD, but you are painting with a pretty broad brush here. The clinician in question is unquestionably NOT someone who should be treating a client with the issues the woman brings to therapy. Are you all saying that he should stick with it? Hang in there and practice on her and hope things will get better? She deserves better. Do I think he is blameless or a saint? ABSOLUTELY NOT! That is not what I or anyone else defending the referral is saying. Is termination or referral painful, hurtful and re-traumatizing? Absolutely. But let me say with certainty, I KNOW personally, that getting out of bad therapeutic situation is vastly less painful than staying, even one DAY, with an incompetent, ill-trained, head-in-his arse therapist.

I sure hope that you can see that your hasty comparison of some of us being positive about the referral of the client as equal to advocating for women stepping aside to let men have jobs in the workforce as a bit of a stretch. That's as if you're saying that I'm "selling out the client"; I am a client myself, and let me say, I don't sell out someone who suffers or feels what I feel about mental health issues. I don't want anyone to stuff what they're feeling emotionally or to "suck up the pain" of not being wanted or loved. I want that woman to be with a therapist who cares about her, knows how to treat her and provides her with a boundaried, caring and knowledable therapeutic setting. If my posts on this site have been anything, they have been about how disappointed I am in how poorly supervised and vetted therapists are in the United States. I don't consider my posts or many of the other posts on this forum that support or see the positives of therapy as "protective." I consider my criticism about therapy as direct and pointed as the next guy, but I don't see it as "black and white" as some of you. I see the good and I see the BIG bad. But I'm not willing to throw everything out just to start over. Better to find the bad, weed it out and build on what is good. But I also know that we're not all going to agree, so I'll agree to disagree.
You have still missed my point. I was referring to the threads about the poor male therapist who had a female client who was not the nicest person on earth to deal with. My comparison was not hasty at all - and was not in reference general posts as to whether a referral was going to be useful to the client or not - that is not for me to determine and I really don't think for anyone else but the client. I have said many times that I don't believe either side need keep on with someone they don't like or want to work with - like in any other business relationship.
I stand by my analogy.
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