Bobbyj- no uppers today. Hopefully none for a very long time. As far as my sources go, I really only have one other than my own script and that's even like pulling teeth. I've actually heard of kratom before but never heard of anyone I know even using it. Around where I live norcos are the thing. I find that if I take a norco or tylenol #4 that my sub withdraw goes away but I don't have any sources for that either. Actually opiates where really never my thing. Weird I know. I happened to stumble on subs in a desperate attempt to quit drinking. At first I fell in love but now they do nothing for me except keeping me from withdraw, and sub withdraw is far worse than your regular opiates [emoji30]

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