I am Not throwing eden1515 under the bus. If you go back and look at her previous threads, post, and thank you's, where what eden1515 wanted from people, got to be you need drugs, drugs and more drugs, and hospitalization and drugs, and fewer people were willing to give her what she said she wanted and needed, was when she mentioned harming others. I don't believe and never have believed that she is a danger to herself, only because she is reaching out for help. I only use myself as an example as mother bearish, etc as a collective we. If I separate myself on this forum it is just more fodder for the cannon. But, also I don't want to see anyone hurt, including eden1515, so all my posts have always been about hanging in, etc because she has always wanted support, and not unsolicited advice. If she has asked , then I have responded. If she has said its not helpful, and only wants continued moral support, then I try to give it. If you go back and read her threads, unsolicited advice giving is what they have become. The one exception is when she was in the hospital, there seem to be a collective sigh of relief, because she would finally be forced to take the drugs so many here on this forum felt she needed. That's when I clearly saw a pattern. And, I can be wrong about that.

But none of what I believe changes the fact, that on most her recent threads, she continues to get the message: "sh** or get off the pot." That attitude is not expressed as far as I can see to any other posters that are experiencing suicidal ideation.

ETA: In answer to her questions 1&2 on this thread), I don't feel I can explain myself any more clearly.

I want to reiterate to you, and anyone else, but especially to eden1515, that I believe that, thoughts, no matter how prevalent they are, will be acted on. I do think, many people here think that, and the only way to solve it, is hospitalization and drugs. I have never believed that and doubt I ever will.

How can giving someone something, i.e. support, that eden request harm her, because they believe she need something else as some suggest?