I was just thinking, this is how a support group "should" work, people listening to each other and caring, not jumping to self absorbed projective judgements like some sadly do IRL..

That mean T had wanted me to join a group he was running, I didn't want to, I think I made the right choice... On the other hand I might then have seen his "true colours" sooner and got out

You deserved a father who loved and valued you, I feel bad for (little) little turtle (and little fuzzy too..)