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Old Jun 12, 2016, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by adam_k View Post
It was quite traumatic for me. Not the experience itself but the realization that "yeah I can do this, This is a possibility". My will power can outweigh my instinct for survival.

I overdosed on both of my attempts. The first one I never got medical help and was throwing up in bed for four days or so but I recovered. The second time my brother found me and I got sent to the ER. This was after a breakup. I didn't do it because of her. It was more about being incredibly depressed before all of that and then realizing being alone just wasn't tolerable to me. The ER gave me activated charcoal, and surprisingly sent me home the next morning. They really should have sent me to the psych hospital because I did need help at the time. I guess the benefit of being depressed at the time is a lack of cognitive ability and lack of resources. Having that would have greatly decreased the odds I would be here today.

The predominate feeling I had was hopelessness and unbearable sadness. Afterwards I still had all of that plus some self hate for trying and I felt a lot of isolation.

I could not have known what the next ten years were going to be like but they have been good enough for me to want to get better. I'm not saying I'm ok and there is days that all I can think about is not existing. I do have some hope to be able to get better.

I also have a family that depends on me. Different from growing up with a family, life feels different when you know your wife/child will never be ok without me here. I know my wife would not be able to cope and I think losing a parent by suicide is an instant ticket for a hard and traumatic life. When I get consumed with all of thoughts and emotions of not being good enough, burden to everyone, worthless I use my family to ground my feelings and to help me understand that those are symptoms of my depression and not a reasonable or logical set of thoughts.
Very insightful.
Hope it's ok if I ask you a few questions..
1. Do you think suicidal thoughts are always symptoms of depression (not reasonable and/or illogical)?
Or
2. Do you think sometimes a person's life is in such turmoil, disrepair and full of too many painful events and intolerable conflicts or real life problems, that death seems like the most reasonable (best) conclusion to them?

Both #1 and #2, I'll assume, the person is alone or feels alone,
because if they had a strong support system, which may include very supportive family, friends and/or physicians
both clinical depression or painful life events would be more manageable and fix-able (not sure that's a word).

Said another way,
I've known people who have had major horrific events happen to them but they never attempted suicide, just like the few I've known in my life that actually did die from suicide outwardly appeared to have most of their lives together, not perfect, but not any recent major traumatic events that would justify death would have been their only option at the time they died.

I suppose I should add a #3, for those who either had a very painful life event OR guilt for something really bad they did A VERY LONG TIME AGO, they hid so well, until one day they decided they could no longer SUPPRESS, hide or tolerate it, so they chose to die.

I'm expecting you'll say an abnormality, such as clinical depression must be present to feel suicidal.
But do you think it's also possible for somebody without clinical depression, to have an intense and almost constant desire to be dead?
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