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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
IDidItMyWay - I really appreciate your point of view, it does seem to only make sense that those things would be easier addressed with another therapist.
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It may or may not. My point was not that it absolutely has to be addressed with another therapist but that it doesn't make sense to address it with the same person they have feelings for. How one goes about it and whether they decide to go to another therapist for help or do it in other ways is their choice.
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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
I tried to do that but I found it was not helpful at all in my case. It could have been the therapist I tried to do it with, she was a female and seemed far too judgmental. ..So I guess it's also crucial to make sure you choose wisely when you pick someone else to work through these things with.
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Sure. Simply seeing another therapist for this is not a guarantee that it will be worked through because you never know who you will bump into. Besides, I've noticed that therapists in general are reluctant to explore what went on in the client's previous therapy. It's some sort of fear to learn that their colleagues might've done something wrong. This is one of the biggest blunders therapists make when they are not interested in what kind of experience in therapy the client had previously or when they are dismissive of it. This happened to me as well. My subsequent therapists would always validate my experience in my previous therapy, they didn't judge me as delusional or anything like that, but I could see clearly that they didn't want to talk about it.
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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
Because I believe you're right, the therapist that you have these feelings about could never possibly be truly impartial but at the same time, discussing it with the object of those affections is also tempting but I don't think that many of them can handle it well.
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Nope, they can't. I've heard some stories, including on this forum, about therapists who handled it well but even in those cases people are still experiencing those feelings and may be even more intensely than ever after the confession.
But, frankly, why should anyone to be put in the position to handle them as this is the most unnatural thing to do? How can you possibly "handle" someone's sexual attraction for you or their idealization or admiration of you except just not taking advantage of that?
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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
I don't think it's their job to crush those feelings
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I am not sure what you mean by "crushing". If you mean to stop those feeling, I think it's just common sense that therapists can't stop them and I don't think anyone expects them to.
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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
I honestly think it's their job to allow us to explore the depth of those feelings in an environment where nothing crushes that fantasy until it has matured into an experience we can learn from.
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I really didn't understand what you mean by "crushing that fantasy" until it matured into "an experience we can learn from". What fantasy? What experience? And how does a fantasy mature into an experience we can learn from? Can you explain?
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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
if I didn't need therapy to get out of the mess I am in, I would be completely against it.
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So it did help you get out of the mess you were in? I have similar feelings. I would've surrendered my license by now if my therapy hadn't helped me in some important ways. That's why I am not an "abolitionist" when it comes to therapy but rather a reformist. I do believe that therapy practice needs major reforms and the whole mental health system needs an overhaul, but I don't believe in abolishing it all together because, as flawed as it is, many people seem to get some benefits from it, and for many of them it may be the only reason they are still alive. If many people want to continue to receive this service their will cannot be overruled by the will of those who want to abolish it. It's fine and it's necessary to point out the flaws of the system but to insist that it has to be abolished because of those flaws is to insult many people who feel that the process is giving them something important that they couldn't get anywhere else. Just like the denial of the systemic flaws invalidates the experiences of those who have been harmed by the system, the assertion that the practice of therapy should be banned invalidates the experiences of those who experience their therapy as mostly helpful or even somewhat helpful. That's why there are so many fights and clashes on this forum. It's because some people seem to believe that their individual experiences enable them to see the whole picture and to make a final judgment of whether something has the right to exist.
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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
I think it is inherently flawed to induce and seduce feelings and emotions and intimacy out of an object/subject, just for the sole purpose of rubbing it in their faces that those feelings mean nothing, quite likely aren't even real and that they can never have you.
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Absolutely. That's why it is my belief that therapy shouldn't be support/validation/"relationship" based. I don't even think that the word "therapy" or "psychotherapy" is a legitimate word to use because it equates the whole practice with medicine while it doesn't have the precision and the certainty of medical practice. I'd use the word "consulting" which makes the whole thing much less personal and much more professional. And I'd make the work around specific issues that need to be resolved, not around discussing the "relationship".
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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
It does show an element of sadism if you ask me.
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It certainly does in some cases. In my first therapy, that was exactly the case. My T was getting sadistic pleasure out of seeing me vulnerable and paralized by strong transference. With other therapists, however, there was nothing sadistic about how they handled it but the intensity of transference was still present and wan't making me feel better.
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Originally Posted by CriesAndGoodbyes
I mean seriously, why make me need you and want you so bad only to crush me? Is trading my previous problems for this... really any better? I am not so sure. In most cases, I would say no... but in my case, I sadly did need this but I could have done without all the extra complications and I genuinely believe there were ways to protect me from this aspect. Why not an initial speech about how entering therapy puts us at risk of developing transference/feelings and explain to us that never, under any circumstances, can this relationship turn into a romantic or even platonic relationship outside of therapy, regular check-in's to make sure we aren't keeping secrets about how we feel and fostering and feeding feelings like that, etc. But maybe it' just wishful thinking that that would prevent things.
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I agree that the profession does a lousy job of informing people about what therapy process entails and, I suspect, it kind of benefits them in some ways to keep people uninformed. That's why I created my website in an attempt to remedy this situation at least to some extend. I, however, would propose not only to inform consumers about the potential harm of transference, but to take it further and to re-structure the whole process in the way that it would greatly minimize the possibility of transference emergence.