Yeah, this would be a long term plan, like 2 years since I would like to taper one at a time.

This might be moot since I have no idea how my pdoc will react to the suggestion.

I know he is going to point out all the things happening to me while on meds could get worse. I have a week and a half to form a good argument but it will probably take multiple sessions to get him to agree. He is not the type to make quick decisions.

I think remeron will be the easiest to convince since he has said multiple times that it isn't working and I can replace the sleepiness properties with melatonin and valarian root. So I might start with that and argue against a replacement(should be easy, there isn't much left out there to try) and go from there. I know for a fact that remeron has horrible withdrawals, worse than effexor which I got off two summers ago. I stupidly tried to taper myself down to 15 mg from 45 and it was painful.