Thanks Michelea. Good advice. You're right that laying down the law is better than saying anything that might be viewed as an attack. John deserves to be fired right away. The problem is, there's a bit of bureaucracy involved that might make it a lengthy process. The last time we had an employee with a behavioral problem, it took them 14 months from the time they decided to fire the person, to actually firing the person, and that was only because of repeated pressure from the affected employee. I just know how negligent the company is run, and they won't fire anytime soon.