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Old Aug 06, 2016, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild Coyote View Post
Hi Trace,

I agree with you that many therapists do not know how to handle CPTSD well.
I also agree many often feel overwhelmed with the multiple traumas.

Therapists generally attend specific trainings. A therapist trained in Schema Therapy will talk up Schema Therapy. A therapist trained in DBT will talk up DBT, etc. None of it means either/both are the best choice for anyone/everyone.

I have seen more people messed up by EMDR than helped by EMDR. Seriously.
For one, a therapist must be well-trained in EMDR. In addition, it must match the client's needs. Many report feeling re-traumatized and some end up in the hospital for the first time. It's not a totally safe modality.

DBT appears to be more safe. However, DBT therapists may not be so safe.
We have two major DBT IOP centers in my area. One is considered safe. Therapists " in the know" will not refer their clients to the second one. Why? The staff is very problematic, condescending, unprofessional, etc. People end up in crises much more often when they attend the one with the bad reputation.

A few of my acquaintances have finished up in IOP DBT and then lined up private DBT therapists. They'd only gotten worse. Why? The individual therapists were overwhelmed and ended up undermining their clients' self-confidence. Next thing I knew, friends were emotionally crippled by the well-meaning, yet insufficiently trained and ill- supervised therapists who were reaching way beyond DBT and beyond their training, not knowing the damage they were doing. It was sad and frustrating.

My friend living out in the wilderness/off-grid is "recovering" from this type of thing with a poorly trained, poorly supervised therapist(s).

My therapists have almost always been highly trained pdocs. I learned my lesson when I hired a therapist twice -- it was not helpful nor healthy. It would have been very crippling if I had allowed it to continue.

My pdocs have done the therapy for years now. They will not recommend referring me to one of the PTSD or CPTSD therapists or IOP treatment centers, even some of the better therapists/IOP centers.
They have clearly told me the "therapists are not trained for CPTSD and are not well-supervised. The pdocs fear what might happen if I get into the "wrong hands."
My pdocs also recognize there is a lot of misinformation and claims of modalities helping when it's not the case often enough.

There is a lot of misinformation given on PTSD/CPTSD forums, as well. Many statements made are erroneous. I am baffled by some of the erroneous/misleading statements made by people unqualified to make such sweeping statements about diagnoses, modalities, healing, etc.

You seem to have a good sense of yourself and what clicks with you/for you.
Trust your gut. I think you have very good instincts. We've had to hone our instincts, they are still available to us.

In time you will heal and not be so isolated. Depression can set in and needs to be dealt with, as it will add to feeling paralyzed. The same with anxiety, etc.


WC

P.S. I do think CBT/DBT skills can be very helpful.
I like the mindfulness approach and had learned it many years ago and before DBT existed. I had started to train under a Buddhist monk. I had learned a lot of skills to help me. Now the compassion trainings are prevalent and Stanford University is doing the studies showing Compassion teachings are more helpful than the mindfulness teachings.
Kati Morton had a video on bad therapists and she had good points that they are just people too. That if you get a T that you are not comfortable with ask for a referral out. I think by law they are suppose to give at least two referrals. Yes the EMDR is what triggered the past emotions. My 3rd T which was the best, said you have to be ready to do EMDR, that a T needs to take time to help you find that safe place and get to know you before. It was the EAP counselor and she started EMDR like my third visit, within a month after Dad died. It was too soon, I see that now. The good T said when you don't get a person ready for EMDR, you can "hook" other emotions and drag them to the surface and that's exactly what happened with me. So not only was I dealing with Dad and those circumstances, but now a lot of past trauma had to be dealt with again.
Have you ever looked at any of Kati Morton's videos? She's a hoot and so smart about things. She has a video on about any topic you can think of.
Not sure what the next DBT module is, but I think I'm going to try it. The last class for this module is Monday, it's Emotion Regulation , I think.
Yes, our instincts are dialed in very well after what we have done for so many years.
Hugs from:
Wild Coyote
Thanks for this!
Wild Coyote