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Old Aug 07, 2016, 12:51 AM
Noitartst Noitartst is offline
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Originally Posted by amandalouise View Post
Should you send this letter to the church...only you can do that, Tighten its reasoning again only you can do that...both are dependent upon what you want to achieve and how you want to go about it, what your own locations laws and rules are for problems like this.

what we can do is tell you how we would approach this issue if this problem was our own...

for example if I had a problem with the church the first thing I would do is schedule a face to face appointment where each side could talk about what the problem is, talk about what definitions mean to them...

for example though some locations used the term dis associate and dissociate (no a between two s's) interchange ably my location does not. the first here in my location means to purposely not do something, to purposely stop doing somethings, where as the other in my location means a person got triggered and felt numb, spaced out, disconnected.

having two different definitions can cause problems in my location. if a church said to me that I was dis associatve that would mean they think I am in control of my behavior and able to act\ behave appropriately where as if they told me I was dissociating they would be meaning I cant control whats going on. this could be a cause for misunderstandings if I felt they were using the two terms to mean the first definition. by scheduling a face to face I would be able to hash out what they feel is going on vs what I think is going on.

the next thing ......I ...... would do if I was thinking of writing to the church about a problem is after writing what I wanted to from a feelings point of view then when re reading and editing process I would take out any of my words that have to do with fighting, arguing and put in things like knowing we dont agree but hopefully we can come to an understanding and a compromise on how to solve the problem.

I'm a religious person so if I was writing the above letter....... I...... would not give the church ultimatums (do this or else that kind of stuff). the church isn't there to do my bidding. its there to educate others on religion, and counsel people in that religion and its parishioners can sometimes receive mental health therapy from their church. there's nothing in a churches laws, bylaws or state laws for religious establishments that state churches and religious establishments have to write back to me or do things my way or agree with me. In fact those in my area don't have the time to write back to someone. they usually call up a parishioner that has a problem and ask them if they would like to come in to talk with them. if a person sends them a letter saying write back or else they put it aside and wait until a time when they can call that person and say hey I got your letter would you like to come in and talk with me I can see you on this day and time or they put the letter aside and wait for the parishioner to decide to come in. I think of my church and religious establishments like I do my doctors. they dont seek me out, I go to them.

Again in regards to your questions we cant tell you what to do, all we can tell you is what we would do if this was our own letter and problem. only you can decide what you want to do.
I can't seem to find energy...key problem. I cannot claim victory to myself, and I am trying to find hope in confronting my family, or something. I tell myself, day in, day out, why try? I can't live like that, and I confront because I care; I want to see an ongoing way to achieve dialog, and a working relationship, with my family, because I care.

Can I even respect myself again? I don't see how--I don't, especially if no is willing admit have no reason at all to be angry with my family.

That's what I keep hearing--that it's all my fault! I'm not responsible for my mother's actions! That's what was doing--but people keep blaming me for her actions--I refuse to take responsibility for them.

I didn't make orders I didn't enforce, and I didn't lie, and I never made promises in power that I broke. I did my part--my parents god damn did not.

They were bad leaders, and I despise them for it--why shouldn't I? I confronted, I want confront my mother as an adult to make peace with the past, but why do people keep trying to push me back into a childish role? I t is my prerogative to pass judgment on them, now, and my mother raised me to respect in particular the Old Testament; as you measure so shall it be measured to you.

That's why I'm being so harsh.

PS: I wasn't sure, friend, but were you saying my message to the elder was too much of an ultimatum? We can tone it back; how? In any case, I want a dialog begun with my mother, going forward, even if there's no immediate resolution.

I seek hope, a process to regain a sense of control over my life.

What I want is a specific engagement of a series of questions, and the key thing is, expectations; I've been atrophying way too long, and job in itself is not a reward, but a means to an end--no wonder I'm not working hard for it, itself. Hope that my family will acknowledge me though, does motivate, or at least, feeling morally vindicated over them, at least, does.

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Originally Posted by Luce View Post
Noit, I have given you my thoughts on this in the other forum, and all I can say is to reiterate that 'demands' will likely not bring you the results you seek. Most people respond to demands made of them quite negatively, and this may be one reason you have not had a response from the church bishop. Ultimately you told him he must do one of two things - the first, agree to do your will, or second, to engage a debate with you about your logic.
You didn't realize that he has a third choice - to do nothing at all. Have you tried asking him if he will help you rather than telling him what to do?
So, you think what I just well, penned, was again, too demanding? I do want certain results, but I don't see a way to achieve anything.

Seriously.

I have been patient with him, and it's gotten me nothing; I didn't get respect, or support, or anything, but more alienation; that's why I'm so angry and isolated; people don't even talk to me, and I fear rejection with reaso, alright? I expect betrayal, now, and can't well, make plans, given I mistrust others.

Why not?

Last edited by Noitartst; Aug 07, 2016 at 01:42 AM.