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Old Aug 17, 2016, 08:33 PM
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My boyfriend is extremely quiet, and I first assumed this relationship would be not good for me. He didn't show any interest in knowing my family, showed very little in knowing my friends, and he had great difficulty showing me that he was interested in knowing me. We carried along initially by our similar personality and interests. We did have good conversations, felt very at ease around each other, and I liked his good moral values, hardworking nature, and what seemed to be strong empathy. However, his quietness around me and slow return of messages had me worried.
Based on what I learned at therapy, I'd say that he had a troubled childhood and developed certain (quiet) coping skills to survive. This might be about Aspergers but I would never allow some "disorder" to ruin my happiness. Life is too short for that!
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I eventually learned from the people who knew him, and also his family, that he was intensely quiet and kind of rude.
Yes, "quiet" folks are often holding in anger, sorrow and other negative feeling which will pop out as rudeness or stoic silence. He may be carrying deep, painful feelings and memories from a toxic childhood unless it can all be blamed on Aspergers.

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He acted much better with me, and I was told that he definitely loved me, and that he never acted this way with anyone else before. Obviously I was touched and many of my fears decreased. I felt very happy for proof that what I thought I saw wasn't just a fantasy. He even told me a few times himself that he felt this way.
Troubled folks can develop quite a range of "skills" to hide and manage their inner daemons which often fools other folks.

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However, he still acts very aloof much of the time except for when we're alone and hanging out together.
Before therapy and self-esteem training, being "aloof" was my main coping skill and many others thought I was just being "cool"! It's a cover-up for inner pain!

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My worries occasionally flair up to a point that I think he really doesn't love me. For example, he leaves a lot on my shoulders, and I often have to ask for help from him. I usually take care of everything from bills to shopping to cleaning. He does honestly help out sometimes, but it worries me that I have to complain first.
Those are all Codependency patterns in which both partners are carrying deep needs and wounds from a bad childhood and hoping the other partner will take care of them or their common responsibilities.

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At least he pays his part for things. Sometimes I do most of the paying because I always tend to do that. I'm the type who likes to make things easier on people.
Yes, those are all Codependency characteristics (google it) but there is a way to overcome that.

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He definitely isn't your "typical" boyfriend, though. He doesn't buy random gifts of affection or do anything kind of cheesy to express his love. I don't mind. I very occasionally do those things, though.
I'd say he is your "typical" Codependent.

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I don't really mind all of this. I've complained to him, and had a few deep, emotional talks where I admitted that I sometimes don't think he cares about me.
Codependents are actually not able to "care" about others until they get over their codependency or selfishness. They can "act" like they care but it's just not in them unless they find some healing.

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He's usually very saddened by this and we talk it all out. He has a good, logical way of not assuming too much and not just saying he does care and I have to believe him. He's really good at hearing me out, but he has a great amount of difficulty knowing what to say and gets frustrated with himself.
Many "quiet" folks have trouble saying what they think and feel because they do not have the words or vocabulary to express their feelings. When I first entered sharing meetings, I had nothing to say and it took a while to find and use the words to adequately express my self. I often worked with a thesaurus to find words and expressions for my feelings!

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After our talks, he usually does make noticeable changes in helping me out more.
Which shows you that he knows the difference! I was able to "change" my act for a short time but always went back to my bad behavior later on.

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One way he shows affection is cuddling up with me pretty much daily. That's his only way, really, of showing affection daily. Sometimes we'll have a good conversation when we're alone and make a lot of jokes.
Codependents generally have a very narrow range of loving behaviors which may seem adequate to their partners - for a little while.

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He spends a lot of time alone. He'll lock himself away for hours, which I always thought was okay. Sometimes I get lonely knowing he's in the same building as me (we live together) but I don't get to see him. I can knock on his door and talk a bit, but usually he spends most of the day alone. If I want to go to a concert or something, he always says no when I ask if he wants to come along. He doesn't like crowds, but I feel a bit bad he doesn't go with me. At least he tends to go with me to some places like malls, even if he really doesn't like it.
I was and still am a "loner". I was often "hurt" by others so I decided, long ago, to be safe by avoiding others even though I often NEED others. My fear and resentments keep me from enjoying and feeling safe with anyone but my late wife.

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How would other people see this relationship? I'd just like some perspective.
I see it as Codependent and packed with potential danger as his bottled up and unhealed inner pain and RAGE could emerge at any time and do serious damages. IMO, both of your are somewhat like time bombs that could explode at anytime you are triggered.

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He's definitely very quiet and doesn't show a lot of love, except for cuddling. Sometimes he acts outright uncaring about me when we're out in public. He won't say a word and act a bit rude, even a bit passive aggressive. It's gets some pent-up feelings of unhappiness from me.
Passive-aggressive patterns can definitely trigger your bottled up feelings and have you both saying and doing terrible things. His silence and uncaring is just the tip of the iceberg as is much of your own behavior so, IMO, counseling and/or therapy - perhaps a CODA meeting (google it) can help to solve the hidden, yet dangerous, problems in your relationship.

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Thanks, Divine. I'm really glad the problem isn't in my head. My boyfriend acts confused as to why there's a problem!
Codependents simply cannot HONESTLY look at what is going on inside of them selves and will stay firmly entrenched in DENIAL unless they go for help.

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I guess part of it is probably loneliness. I have a very hard time connecting with others and usually don't have friends. I've been that way since I was a child.
Same with me - thanks to very toxic parents/parenting!

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I guess another part is because my parents were very abusive towards each other, and I thought since I and my boyfriend didn't fight, we must have a great relationship.
LOL, that is codependent thinking. If it's not VIOLENT, it must be OK!

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I do remember once when we were hanging around his friend, let's call him "A," A was watching how Matt and I interacted and just didn't seem too pleased. At one point he muttered out loud, "****ing miracle," and was telling Matt he should be helping me with this or that or to "be a gentleman." It made me a bit sad to see that. His friend has actually been in a serious relationship for a lot longer than us and always seemed to care about his girlfriend way more than my boyfriend cares about me.
Others can often see the failings and faults in a couple but the couple cannot see it due to codependent DENIAL. It's a blindness brought on by many factors such as: fear, false hope, emotional damage, desperate needs and a lot more.

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How should a relationship be? I thought this was just normal after almost 2 years together.
Codependents will accept almost anything as "normal" that others plainly see as TOXIC!

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If we do break up, I will miss the friendly banter and good times.

After thinking about it, the hardest part would be telling him I want to break up. He'll be so sad. I never want to put someone I love through that. But I will if I have to.
I'd seek some help to see if the relationship can be fixed.

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My boyfriend and I are pretty young and live together. Sadly, moving in together didn't help anything. I've known him for maybe 3 years now.
Codependents will do anything to fix a relationship (moving in, marriage, have kids, trial separation, open marriage, BOOZE) but rarely find the correct solutions by going into some kind of therapy.

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No matter what I do, I just have to accept that my boyfriend won't show any real love for me. He also has talked to girls while ignoring me, but it happened so rarely that I wrote it off. I guess these guys aren't any good for us, huh?
It's not that they "aren't any good", it's that both of you are the victims of inadequate parental training which FAILED to adequately prepare both of you for a loving and respectful relationship. It's Codependency at it's worst!

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I know it's really hard when you loved someone and dedicated so much time to someone who didn't care. It makes me feel like I'm worth less than before, but I'll fight those feelings and realize that I deserved to be with someone who loved me! I find that it's sad you had a crush on him for so, so long when it should've been on someone who loved and respected you.
This is almost the perfect definition of Codependency = They fall in love (need) and stick with someone who CANNOT love them back!
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I hope we can both learn to be ourselves again without someone dragging us down.
Only if and when you overcome your own conditioning to be codependent or you will most likely find another unloving Codependent to drag you down again.
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What happened to the good ol', cheerful me?
I'd say that early childhood conditioning to be codependent finally overwhelmed you.
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Well, I also don't trust myself to know how a relationship should be since I have so little experience.
In therapy and a few relationship books, I learned what a good relationship is supposed to be and that put an end to my 1st horrible marriage since I could no longer stay in a toxic marriage after learning what a good one is.

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I've done so much for him and he doesn't seem to notice.
Codependents are often caught in situations where they knock them selves out to please others (People Pleasing) who don't "notice". It's a sick pattern that began in early childhood with trying to please our indifferent or DRUNKEN parents and then us Codependents spend the rest of our lives trying to please and get the approval of other Codependents who simply CANNOT notice or approve of us!

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It's understandable I feel unloved sometimes, no?
It's an automatic and acceptable feeling from childhood that we sometimes CRAVE! Feeling "unloved" is NORMAL for Codependents!

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I'm willing to accept that it has to do with the way he is,
And the "way he is" can be changed if he really wants to do it!
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If I'm unhappy, I should leave, for his sake and my own.
That's why I left cause I sure wasn't going to "put up with it" once I could see how a loving marriage can be.
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Of course, we worked things out.
I worked things out with my Ex over and over but none of it ever lasted and the same ugly patterns of behavior emerged again and again since neither of us knew how to make our marriage work nor how to undo the toxic codependency both of us were carrying. It's like a disease or plague that takes a lot of work or dumb luck to over come. I did my part but she couldn't be bothered to do her part!
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I guess I'll think on it a bit more. I feel overstretched. One side of me says he's a great, loving guy, one side says he's taking advantage of me and will probably cheat on me down the line, causing a great heartbreak.
After you do a little work on undoing your Codependency, you will see right through all of those "excuses & reasons" to stay with him because you will know that, unless he gets some help, he definitely will hurt you more and more and more!

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I talked everything out with him, like how I felt, the things that have been upsetting me, my worry about our relationship, how he seems to act rude sometimes, all his time alone, and how his changes to make things better haven't really cut it for me. I talked about all this since I didn't want to just break up without talking about it again, more seriously this time, and giving us a chance to make changes or agree on something if possible. I'll give him another chance.
I liked all that you wrote in that post about talking things out and coming to some understandings and agreements BUT........
In my experience, unless the underlying trauma, unhappiness and fears are exposed and resolved, none of your agreements or understandings will last very long and the old, unsatisfactory behaviors will re-emerge because the inner stuff has not been HEALED. It might be helpful to blame his "behaviors" on Asperger or some other "disorder" but, eventually the underlying cause for his and your unsatisfactory behavior will need to be addressed or there will never be true happiness for either of you.
My late wife and I worked very hard to deal with our underlying Codependency and had a very happy, loving and FUN life together for 26 years and would still be enjoying it if she had not died of illness. IMO, dealing with underlying issues is the whole thing but most of society just tells us to ignore that stuff! That's called DENIAL!
Please do not see this as a silly, hysterical or completely unfounded comment from me. I lived through a Codependent childhood and 1st marriage and learned a lot about how to make a relationship work well in my last marriage (she passed away) so what I am offering comes from my own experiences and not from books or abstract theories.
good luck
Thanks for this!
Bill3