well the doctors were not willing to help for some reason, though the VA did offer to send me to a drug rehab program 40 miles away, out patient. Not going to happen. My last drug test came back negative for everything so I think I'm getting close to being done with it. I didn't wear a patch for about a day and a half and the "creepy crawlies" came on to where I couldn't sleep or sit still, it drives you crazy. So I put another old patch on and in about two hours the symptoms started easing up. It's just going to take some time I guess. Though the pain is getting worse, but I would rather try some non narcotic relief. Thanks for the response back.