I hear you, that's why I'm beginning to think the narc traits in both my ex and my daughter may be bipolar mania instead. My ex on the other hand does have sociopathic traits which are different. My father does have narc traits and I am trying to have a relationship with him. My mother on the other hand seems to have psychopathic traits and she is the one I can't talk to. I may start posting about that in the ASPD forum with the caveat that these are psychopathic traits and not sociopathic traits. I don't know where to address those. I agree with your assessment of narcs. My father and I are the same temperament . I have a lot of compassion for him. I know why he is the way he is. My father is the only one I feel safe talking about because ironically enough he doesn't care what others say about him. The rest do. There are certain things I really like about my father.

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