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Old Nov 09, 2016, 11:33 AM
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Thanks for replying with more details about your scary dream. Below is my interpretation of your dream as if it was mine. Dreams are for each of us to interpret on our own. Therefore, if anything I say below doesn’t resonate with you, then simply discard it. So with that said, off I go…

Below is my interpretation of your dream as if it was mine. Dreams are for each of us to interpret on our own. Therefore, if anything I say below doesn’t resonate with you, then simply discard it. So with that said, off I go…

When I do my own interpretations or that of others, I always start with the location. I could have located it anywhere, at any time in any reality and…I’ve located it ina car. I’ve learnt that locations help to “spiritually frame in” a dream.

I will take the first of several sidebars here to help you understand the framework I use when interpreting a dream. This one will cover what I’ve learned about beliefs, belief compartments, people and the age of people. Then I’ll return to myself in the car.

In my dreams, things that are made by people are symbols of masculine and things of nature are symbols of feminine. I’ve learnt that before we incarnate, we carefully select the times we will live in, our families, life circumstances, challenges and potential exit points. We then carefully select our personality.

I’ve learnt we do this by selecting approximately 200 different “belief filters”. These are energy filters that have two polarities, a feminine one and a masculine one. We select the degree of polarity we are going to hold the belief, i.e. the degree of feminine or masculine. This then determines the belief vibratory level.

Each belief then works with the other beliefs, each with their own vibratory rate. They literally “filter our reality” by blocking out the greater reality vibrations we actually come from. They create the aura around us and create our thoughts/feelings for each moment.

We constantly tell ourselves about this in our dreams. We use symbolism to show ourselves about the beliefs and their limiting effects on us spiritually. We also show ourselves the “dis-ease’ created by some of our beliefs using colours in our dreams.

In my dreams buildings are symbols of what I call ‘belief compartments’. I’ve learnt that each wall is a symbol of a belief. Furniture within them are symbols of yet more beliefs that work with the overall beliefs to produce what I call are ‘belief effects’.

To symbolize to ourselves the many different types of beliefs we use in all our many lives, we often create our dreams in towns, cities or houses.

I’ve often found that in many of my dreams, people appear in the rooms or buildings. When I first began to record my dreams, many years ago, I frequently found myself in large warehouses full of boxes I had to climb over or in rooms in houses full of furniture. Imagine my surprise when I eventually learnt they boxes and furniture were symbols of masculine based beliefs I had to address first before I got to the walls!

As I spiritually listened to myself, over time, the rooms began to empty. Then I was walking through empty rooms. The next step was to see glass walls, windows and open doors, all symbols of how I was beginning to work my way out of the old belief walls. Then the walls began to disappear. In the end, I was usually flying over the old beliefs.

In many of my dreams when I began to keep a record of my dreams,, I would find myself in multi-storied houses. I then realized these are symbols of numerous belief compartments I use in one or more of my lives.

Then I found myself in towns and cities. I then realized that each one is a symbol of various belief compartments I have used in another life.

I will take another sidebar here and describe what I’ve learnt about people in my dreams…

When I first began recording my dreams, I would often find people in my dreams that I didn’t know or ones that I did know but they were doing strange things. When I tried to literally interpret my dreams, it usually didn’t work.

I had a near death experience 12 years ago that changed me. One of the changes was a determination to learn to meditate. I had stopped and started meditation all my life and had in effect gone nowhere in a hurry. So this time I was determined to stick with it.

I slowly learnt how to touch my “higher self”. One day, the thought came to me to use my higher self to assist me in interpreting my dreams. Then the dream gates swung wide open.

I’ve since learnt that people in my dreams may be who they are, symbols of my masculine and feminine, other lives, teachers, guides, oversoul, aspects of myself, people who I frequently incarnate with, etc.

When I first began to record my dreams I frequently began to see an old couple. They might change their appearance but there was almost always an old man and woman in the dream. Then a young girl and by appeared.

They too sometimes changed but they were now in the same dream as the old couple. However, they were “bit players” in my dreams as the old couple was the ones I was interacting with.

At first, I had no idea who these people were. Then, as I learnt to mediate and apply my higher self to my dream interpretations, my dreams gates swung open.

First, I learnt that the old man and women were symbols of my masculine and feminine. Next, I learnt that the young girl and boy were symbols of the feminine and masculine I could become. So I then used the terms “old masculine and feminine” and “young masculine and feminine” to describe these dream symbols to myself.

As I began to address my underlying beliefs, the old couple disappeared from my dreams and the young ones spiritually grew up.

I’ve learnt that people’s age in dreams is important.

When infants are in my dreams as other lives, this is usually a symbol we are just beginning our journey through the beliefs the dream is about.

When teenagers show up I realize I am making steady progress through my dreams.

When mature adults show up, it’s a sign that I am now spiritually maturing in dealing with the beliefs.

When old people show up in my dreams, I let out a sound of joy! It’s a sign that I am now ready to release the old beliefs.

I then learnt that things made out of natural materials are symbols of feminine beliefs that are now no longer working for me. In effect, spiritually speaking, they are now “dead” for me, i.e. dead trees – wood, etc. So, whenever I am in rooms made of wood or standing on wood, etc. I refer to this in my mind as “dead feminine”.

About a year and a half ago, I felt compelled to put together a free website documenting what I have learnt. At first, I didn’t want to because I felt what I had learnt was akin in my mind to a teaspoon of water compared to all the oceans’ water, i.e. not much. However the feeling persisted.

Today if you go to ‘learningfrommydreams’ dot com you’ll see what I created. If you go there, I suggest you look at 3 things. One is the meditation page where I list all sorts of different ways to meditate. Find one that works for you.

Then I recommend you read the dream discussion paper I posted on the website. It describes the symbolism I’ve learnt including people.

Finally, I recommend you look at the resources page where you’ll find an extensive list of things to look at.

So with this said, back to my dream…

My dream takes place in a car. In my dreams, a car is a symbol of what I call a masculine based belief compartment I use to spiritually move around in. Each side of the car, the top and the floor are symbols of masculine base beliefs that spiritually surround me.

Next I note that I am in the back seat sitting down. I will take another brief aside here and tell you what I’ve learnt about sitting, standing, walking etc. and then return to me sitting in the car seat.

When I am lying down in dream, it’s a symbol that I don’t have any spiritual ability yet to even see the effects of some of my beliefs.

When I am sitting, it’s a symbol that I need spiritual support to see the effects of some of my beliefs.

When I am standing, it’s a symbol that I now can stand on my own two spiritual feet to see the effects.

When I am walking, it’s a symbol that I am now steadily moving through the beliefs.

When I am running, it’s a symbol I am moving relatively quickly through the beliefs.

Note that I have found that spiritual time and our time are too different things. Usually my dream time is far faster than my physical time. So when I am running etc. I realize that it still will take “some time”.

Back to the dream…

So I require spiritual support to even see the effects of my beliefs, i.e. I am sitting. Further, I am in the “back seat”. I will take yet another side and describe what I’ve learnt by “back” in my dreams and then return to the back seat…

In many, many of my dreams I am looking back, backing up a car, turning around, being told to go back, sitting in a back seat, etc. I’ve slowly learnt that this is a way of telling myself that I need to retrace my steps spiritually speaking and review some of my old underlying beliefs before I can learn new things. It almost always involves me working with some or many of my other lives to see the effects of the beliefs on our lives. So ‘back” to my dream…

Since I am not driving, this dream scene has to do with a group of masculine based beliefs I call command/control. In my dreams, I’ve learnt that these masculine based beliefs are afraid of my feminine. As a result, I build spiritual, mental and physical walls around me to protect myself from my feminine.

Usually, but not always, these dreams have a “Controller” in them and a “Controlee”. I have lived thousands of lives and have played each part many, many, many times.

Since I am in the back and not driving, it’s a symbol of one of the belief effects from command/control beliefs of “me not being in control”.

Next I consider the lighting in this dream. I will take a side bar here and describe what I’ve learnt about lighting in my dreams…

Lighting in my dreams is very important. It is a way of symbolizing how much en-lightenment I have with respect to the beliefs the dream is about.

Dark in my dreams is a symbol of where I haven’t yet spiritually explored my beliefs. Sunlight is a symbol that my over soul is assisting me.

When I am in rooms with no windows or doors, it’s a symbol that I am “en-lightening” myself on my own.

If there are windows and the sun is shining through, it’s a symbol that some of my belief walls are beginning to be removed and my over soul is now beginning to assist me.

Morning is a symbol I am beginning to make progress on my beliefs. Noon is a symbol I am now able to shed full spiritual enlightenment on beliefs the scene is a symbol of. Evening is a time when I am in a place of spiritual darkness with respect to the beliefs.

If it’s winter, it’s a sign that I need to reflect on my beliefs since they are frozen. If it’s spring, it’s a time that I am beginning to make spiritual progress on the beliefs. If it’s summertime, it’s a symbol that my work is now bearing spiritual fruit. If it’s fall, it indicates I am heading towards a period where I can reap the benefits by releasing old beliefs.

Back to my dream…

“It was a normal sunny day, maybe a bit cloudy but just because we were at the mountains and very high up, the light was coming from the sky and sun. I think it was like that in the dreams I can somewhat recall for.”

So this is a very good sign to myself! My higher self, or over soul or whatever you want to call it, i.e. the sun, is now able to shine down on me and reach me through gaps in my belief walls, i.e. the windows. This is me letting myself know that I have been making steady spiritual progress in addressing the belief walls this dream is a symbol of. Now, I can spiritually see out through the beliefs and see the greater reality I actually come from, i.e. outside.

And what do I see “outside” my masculine based belief walls this dream is a symbol for?

“To my left was a slope with a river on the very bottom of it, in the right there was a hill up (an usual Bulgarian mountain in the Rhodopes, I can even show you when exactly it took place at).”

To my feminine side, i.e. left, is a river, i.e. a symbol of my feminine. To my masculine side, i.e. right, is a another symbol of my feminine, i.e. a hill up.

I wish I could recall if there was anything growing outside. Why? It would tell me if my feminine is flourishing with creativity and growth or not.

I want to note that for each dream we create, we are the producer, director, script writer and often star actor. Therefore, nothing is in our dream by accident. Everything is a language of us learning to listen to ourselves. So from the location, lighting, objects, people and our thoughts/feelings, everything is talking to us about ourselves.

Now I come to the people in this dream. It’s very interesting…

“In most of them there is my mother, she had black hair.. I really haven't seen her face in any of my dreams, she is short, fit for a mother of 3.. I can't even recall what clothes she is wearing.. .actually in all of those dreams all the colors I recall is just.. gray and was of this woman who was as well in the car and she was my grandma's doctor (my grandma was in the car but I did not see her) she had blonde hair... and I think glasses but that was it for her. There were also other figures but they were not necessary human like.. more or least... I really can't describe them.. they can't be described. My mom would always be in front of me or the left. She is usually sitting down and so was that doctor. One of those figures I cannot describe had sex with me in one of my dreams, at least for this figure we know it must be female since I am gay.”

I will take this in chunks…

Is it my mother in my dream or, is she a symbol? She’s my mom.

“My mom would always be in front of me or the left.” So I am showing myself two things here. She’s slightly spiritually ahead of me in dealing with the beliefs this car is a symbol of, i.e. she’s in the front seat while I am in the back. However, both of us have a long way to go, spiritually speaking, in addressing this since we are sitting and not even standing or spiritually moving our way through the beliefs, i.e. walking.

Second, she’s showing me that she too shares the same underlying beliefs that this dream is a symbol of AND she’s spiritually working with me on them.

I want to note, before I go further, that often in my dreams relatives may appear who are either alive or dead. When we die, our belief suit we spiritually wear is still with us. Therefore, we must continue to deal with the underlying beliefs.

Next I want to point out that our existing physical relationships with these people, isn’t the same as the spiritual ones we have with them. So let’s hypothetically assume that I had a relative who abused me in my physical life and whom I hated. This same person, may be working with my in my dreams on the same underlying beliefs I am because they too share them. Our spiritual relationship is very different than our physical ones.

To help you understand this a bit better, at the end of this interpretation is a recommendation to read a fictional trilogy by Jane Roberts about an over soul and some of his entities. It’s a good easy read to help you enlarge your framework of who you are spiritually speaking.

Also, on my website, learningfrommydreams dot com, there is a story I created about the multiverse we live in. I suggest you read it to gain a broader understanding of who you really are.

I am merely pointing this out to assist you in interpreting your future dreams on your own. So with this said, back to the dream…

My grandmother’s doctor is also in the car. It is her or, is she a symbol? It’s her. So she too shares the same beliefs. When people like this appear in my dreams, i.e. people I might not have had that much to do with in my “real life”, it’s a way of letting me know that I have likely incarnated with them many other times.

They too share the same underlying beliefs the car is a symbol of. They too are spiritually working with me.

“…she had blonde hair... and I think glasses but that was it for her.” Blonde hair…another way of sending myself a message about some of the belief effects from the masculine based beliefs around me. We die our hair to appear “beautiful”. In command/control beliefs, one of the many effects I have learnt is judging myself by how others judge me.

She’s also wearing glasses, i.e. requiring spiritual support to spiritually see.

I will take another brief aside here and tell you what I’ve learnt about clothes and colours in my dreams and then return to the car…

I have learnt that colours in my dreams are very important. They are symbols of how the beliefs affect different points on my etheric and physical body. The old Hindi’s of thousand of years ago saw three energies swirling into our bodies at several points they called “chakras”. Then they mapped 70,000 different smaller points they called “Nadis”. This then grew to 100,000 points. It was and is an amazing piece of work.

Since I can only see the first 6 inches or so of an aura around a person and I’m not yet able to see chakras, I use this reference for colours and general body location points “The Chakras” by David Leadbeater. You can find free copies of it online.

I find that this is the best reference I can find to date about colours but the colours in my dreams usually go beyond what I find in David’s reference

I will take a short side bar here and describe clothes and shoes.

In my old dreams, I frequently was in places nude and would panic that others would see me (I’m sure readers of this interpretation will have had similar dreams). I was always wanting to get dressed or hide away.

Imagine my surprise when I learnt that clothes are symbols of beliefs we “spiritually wear”. I then have learnt that being nude in a dream is a sign of spiritual progress regarding the beliefs the dream is about.

We are beings where we are both feminine and masculine. We live many, many lives as either sex, sometimes hermaphrodite, gay, whatever. Yet in the world we live in today, being nude is considered somewhat of a “sin”.

So, today, I always rejoice when I am partially nude or wholly nude in a dream. This also applies to footwear.

I’ve learnt as I make spiritual progress regarding a set of beliefs, frequently I am barefoot. Shoes are a way of symbolizing beliefs we use to separate ourselves from our feminine, i.e. ground we walk upon.

So back to my dream…

“…actually in all of those dreams all the colors I recall is just.. gray.” So around me, within the masculine based belief compartment are low vibration colors. This fits in with the pain I am experiencing in the dream.

My grandma is in the scene but not seen. Is it her or, is she a symbol? It’s her. So she too shares the same underlying beliefs and is working with me spiritually speaking.

“There were also other figures but they were not necessary human like.. more or least... I really can't describe them.. they can't be described.”” One of those figures I cannot describe had sex with me in one of my dreams, at least for this figure we know it must be female since I am gay.”

I am laughing a bit as I write this about myself. Why?

What I’ve learnt from my dreams, meditations et al is that we live in this incredible multiverse. We are beings of neither female or male. We also incarnate thousands of times or more as women, men, hybrids, other things, etc.

So why I’m laughing is myself thinking that because I am a woman in this life, a gay one, that people I am attracted to in my dreams must also be female!

Note from me to you: You are spiritually standing at the edge of a great spiritual adventure for yourself. As you learn to listen to your dreams and yourself, you will soon discover the many, many different roles you play in your other lives. In the dream discussion paper on my website, I talk about how some of the other lives I’ve lived are hard to accept. This is part of spiritually awakening.

So back to the dream…

Who are these “Figures”? They are some of my other lives. Some of them are NOT human, which is why I am having trouble spiritually seeing them. Why?

The “belief suit” I am wearing filters out most of my greater reality. It also interprets my experiences I have in my dream state to my “real life” state. In these other lives I am facing similar and different challenges. Some of them may be sexual in nature on the surface level.

So, in our dreams we communicate them to ourselves. However, most of us aren’t listening to ourselves. So we have trouble accepting the greater reality. So when we experience things say of a sexual nature in our dreams, we then either forget the dream or interpret it as having sex with someone we can relate to.

Bottom line…around me are many entities assisting me spiritually speaking. If I open myself up by listening to this dream and ask them to assist me, it will take me on a great spiritual voyage deep into myself.

Okay, now on the heart of the dream…the thorns.

“And it's not just small thorns, they are huge long ones, the ones that usually will go through one part of my foot and escape on the opposite! I even pulled out a 1 meter one from my pinkie...”

So, I am using a symbol of my feminine to cause me great pain, i.e. a thorn. I could have selected anything to cause me paid BUT I HAVE SELECTED MY FEMININE.

This fits in with my command/control masculine based beliefs. I don’t trust my feminine. It will hurt me. So, I don’t just choose small pieces of my feminine to symbolize this BUT I CHOOSE REALLY, REALLY BIG ONES.

Recall that this is MY DREAM. I am the producer, director, script writer and main actor. So it’s me who is causing pain to myself. It’s me who’s afraid of my feminine.

And what do the other “Actors’ in my dream do?

“My mother's words are the unforgettable ones, she have repeated them in a lot of my dreams "Things will be okay, just get over it" and that would be it. I would be crying, or in pain and she would just say that and then I would get mad. The doctor told me "Interesting" and turned back to the road.”

One of the effects of the command/control beliefs already mentioned is judging myself by how others judge me. I am looking for and expecting sympathy. When I don’t get it what do I do? I use a masculine based attribute from loss of control, i.e. anger.

I am likely thinking, “How could they not care?” That’s me literally interpreting the dream. HOWEVER, they know they’re in a dream. They know it’s my dream. They know it’s for me to work out on my own. They also know that I can work it out on my own. My mother is doing the best thing she can spiritually speaking for me…telling me, "Things will be okay, just get over it.”

So now I turn to my thoughts/feelings in this dream…

“They would always start with happiness. Pure joy. Then it would turn into panic because of the realization of the thorns and then when I start picking them out it would turn into pain, and then confusion because no one would seem to care about it, and then anger.. so much anger and frustration because if I would pull out one there would be another one to be taken out. And then I would just wake up from all the pain.”

My dream begins with happiness/pure joy. What I’ve learnt from my dreams is that the first thought/feeling is usually the theme of the dream. I TAKE GREAT HOPE AND COMFORT FROM THIS. I am sending myself a message that I can and will deal with this, i.e. happiness/pure joy.

Then my dream turns to panic as I realize, spiritually speaking, I have to address this spiritual “stuff”. I don’t really want to, because I like my old masculine based command/control beliefs, so this gives me a sense of panic.

“…and then when I start picking them out it would turn into pain….” I am using a spiritual and physical pain to let myself know the effects of my own masculine based beliefs. I am forcing myself to deal with it.

“…and then confusion because no one would seem to care about it.” I don’t want to face myself spiritually speaking. I expect others to assist me. I am judging myself by how others judge me.

“…and then anger.. so much anger and frustration because if I would pull out one there would be another one to be taken out.” Anger…that’s what I have to learn to meditate on. I am so angry at myself for letting my feminine “spiritually hurt me”.

I am showing myself in this dream that until I address this, I will continue to have a
‘thorn in my spiritual side”. The thorns will keep coming.

That’s why I am having the same recurring dream type, over and over and over again.

So, if this way my dream…I would actually be excited. You, who’s going through the emotional and physical pain might like be thinking reading this “What the hell is there to be excited about? I’m in so much pain!” Here’s why…

I’ve learnt the following from this dream…
• I can now see through the old masculine based beliefs, i.e. there are windows all around me
• Outside my masculine based belief compartment it is a beautiful sunny day, i.e. my over soul is assisting me
• My first thought/feeling is one of happiness/joy – I am showing myself that I can succeed in working my way though this
• My mom, grandmother and the doctor are all spiritually working with me, i.e. I am not alone
• I have likely many, many other lives around me who also share the same underlying beliefs – they are working with me!!!!! I now am beginning to know them!!!!
• I now am beginning to understand the root cause of my emotional and physical pain…it’s myself!
• If I choose to listen to myself…I can learn and over come this!

Therein lies the choice of this dream. If I choose to, I can ignore this dream and continue to be supported by old masculine based beliefs that I am spiritually sitting on. This will likely cause me continued pain OR, I CAN LEARN TO LISTEN TO MYSELF.

Speaking from personal experience, this path is not always easy since one must learn to face oneself BUT IT IS HIGHLY REWARDING.

If I wanted to learn to listen to myself here are some suggestions I could use:
• Learn to listen to my intuition – it’s my spiritual radar
• Keep a dream journal – each night I get a course on myself
• Learn to meditate – this is a way to connect with the greater me

There are many ways one can get in touch with one self…

Meditation is one way. The old hindi's of 2,500-3,000 years ago wanted to have out of body experiences. They did this by occupying the conscious mind allowing their inner soul to rise. Today, this is called yoga and the OBE portion is mostly an afterthought.

When they were out of their bodies, they saw energy swirling into the body from the sun, from the earth and from the side. They called these main points "chakras". Then they saw that the energy went into small points they called "nadis".

They then did something that amazes me to this day. They mapped 70,000 different nadi points and then it went up to 100,000.

This knowledge crossed over the Himalayas and went down into China. It became adopted as energy meridian lines. Today accupuncture uses this.

Yoga is simply one of many ways. On Meditation ? Learning From My Dreams | Dream Interpretation I list several different ways to meditate. You can go there and see if any one of these resonates with you. If so, then give it a try.

Another way is to use the hemisync technology that Robert Monroe pioneered to help people get to the theta state and have out of body experiences. You can go to the Monroe Institute to learn more https://www.monroeinstitute.org/. Books Bob wrote can be found here https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=la_B00N...qid=1477584351

Another way is to go to a hypnotist trained by the Newton Institute. This was created by a psychologist Michael Newton. About 30 or so years ago, he had a woman under hypnosis who went to a place she called her "live between lives". He then found out that many of his other patients went to a very similar place. He then write three books and began to train psychologists how to do this. The Newton Institute can be found here The Newton Institute for Life Between Lives Hypnotherapy. On this website is a link to find a local therapist.

To learn about other lives, I suggest reading a fictional trilogy “Over Soul Seven” by Jane Roberts. She was a great channeler who brought through an entity names Seth in the 1970’s. He wrote many books through her. She also wrote some of her own books.

The books I am referring to are a trilogy she wrote to explain, in a simple story form, complex ideas about us incarnating many times, at the same time. It’s an easy read and good way to get one’s mind around the concept of an over soul and many other lives.

The choice is yours to make. I hope that some of what I’ve said above deeply resonates within you.

With kind regards,
Guy

PS I want to give you a “taste” of what one can experience if one chooses to listen to oneself, in the hopes that you can see beyond your existing pain and see there is a lot of wonderful things potentially ahead of you.

I had an experience that is still resonating with me today several years late. I was in a mediation circle. At the end of it, I "felt" a presence. It showed itself to me as a premature young boy. I "knew" it was for the woman sitting beside me. At the time, I only knew she was a schoolteacher and had 2 late teen kids. So I turned to her and asked if I could give her a message. She said yes.

I asked her if she had miscarried a baby boy? She said yes. Then the most wonderful thing I've ever experienced occurred...

The baby boy turned into a man and sent pure unconditional love to me. It was something words can't describe. It went to the very heart of who I am. It only lasted a fraction of a second but it has lasted with me ever since. I broke down and began to cry. The lady began to cry. I then told her, her son was telling me that he was always with her. She then replied a medium had brought him through before but she was so glad to know it once again.

He was a teacher for me. He showed me what all of us are at our soul level. We are all beings of pure unconditional love.

I carry this around within me when things aren’t working out for me. It is a constant reminder of who I and all of us are.

If you want to chat with me on your journey, you can contact me via my website. Best wishes on your spiritual voyage!