Thanks, Sky. Like I said, I wasn't sure what I was asking. Jerry and I have been to therpay and it didn't work then. It isn't going to work now, either. What I'm thinking is if I could find a way to get through to him. He'll listen and many times say I'm right, but the favor goes undone. If I could find the right words and the right way of putting them, maybe I could get him out of his "cave" (the Venus/Mars thing) to do something I want or need. But if it's not on HIS "want to" list, he "forgets" or gets "confused" on the order of priorities! Bah Humbug! If I figure out how to get through to Jerry, I could pass along the "secret" to my DIL and it would probably work on John, too.