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Originally Posted by prefabsprout
I'm not sure where my own thoughts lie on this but I do think it's important to draw a line between empathy and caring - it is possible to still care and be compassionate without empathy. Empathy is about reading others emotions - it's possible to have good empathy but not necessarily use it for good, in fact it's possible to use empathic knowledge for harm. Feeling what others feel is not always good either - I write this as a fairly empathic person who has been overwhelmed on occasion.
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I feel like I care about some people anyway. I don't know if I really read emotions that well on most people. I think I can tell with my boyfriend pretty well because he seems to have over-exaggerated facial expressions and often announces how he feels. I can get exaggerated emotions, but it's going to be difficult for me to tell someone is angry if they're calm about it if you know what I mean.
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Originally Posted by -jimi-
The concept of empathy bothers me altogether. It has so many parts that no one ends up empathic. Normal people with normal upbringing don't give a damn about kids starving to death or dying in bomb raids. Normal people do not understand when or why a spectrum person is upset.
I don't care if I have empathy or not. I want rather to be seen as a caring person. And not a blindly caring person, cuz that is well.. dumb.
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I agree. Although, I wonder (and I promise I'm not trying to be a smart ***), I definitely understand why someone on the spectrum could be upset, so does that confirm that I'm not normal? I'm pretty sure I often know when they are too, at least as long as if it's a less subtle reaction.
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Originally Posted by Entity06
I think there is a learning component to empathy in the sense that, like say any other ability, it rarely develops past a point without practice and example.
We're probably all wired for empathy as humans(and those who aren't, are born with some condition) because it makes sense as social creatures and as a species that thrives by sticking together and cooperating and forming bonds.
I do think that, depending on each person's personality and the smallest of details in their upbringing and general experiences, someone who grew up without making close connections with others, someone socially isolated and "different" can very well just not really know how to channel that capacity for empathy, what to do with it so to speak, how to feel it and act on it. It's not that it isn't there and of course everyone has different levels of it, but it would make sense that someone who is socially inexperienced and hasn't connected much with others, could feel/appear less empathetic than they could be.
Think about it, for ex, it's shown that because of gender stereotypes and roles, girls are encouraged to develop their emotional and social skills/awareness, while boys are discouraged from it and taught they should repress their emotions because boys aren't supposed to be emotionally sensitive. As a result, it's not really that men don't feel intense emotions and cannot be sensitive, it's that a lot of them end up repressed and stunted emotionally, they lack the skills to properly identify, feel and express their emotions. What we call emotional intelligence and social skills, like empathy, are things we're wired for but there is a learning curve, you do need to practice and develop these skills.
Sure, no everyone is as strongly empathetic as others, just like we all have the same needs but on different levels, in different forms. But empathy is not absent if you don't give a damn about kids starving in Africa or something like that, the way you react to those things are influenced by culture and general knowledge and so on. Empathy isn't absent just because you can't empathize with everyone and everything, because empathy involves a certain degree of intellectual understanding of the situation someone is in, a certain degree of tolerance and so on.
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I didn't really have close connections with others growing up (or even as a young adult). Although I'm curious, at what point to people become capable of developing deep connections? I would think it would be difficult as a child, since children are necessarily more selfish and their needs are automatically more important than the needs of others. How would one develop close connections when one is focused on their own needs enough that they don't notice, recognize, or possibly not care about the needs of others?
Despite having more emotional reactions to things than most, I'm not sure how much I was socialized as a girl. Otherwise, I have a more traditionally male personality.
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Originally Posted by Vibrating Obsidian
Because of that, various articles have been published to actually tell people how to behave towards people with depression - telling someone with depression how much you love them, being there for them, listening, supporting them... But someone with a decent amount of empathy won't require much guidelines regarding this
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I wonder what it means if I know this but don't know how to go about executing it.
Or in some cases, I don't understand why it's helpful. Like telling someone you love them or something...I usually want either a practical solution for what's pushed me into a low mood or validation for how I feel. If someone were to just say "I love you", it feels invalidating...like something I already know magically makes everything alright.
Sorry I didn't get to replying to everyone directly...your posts all appreciated. As it is, I've been working on the reply for a couple of days now and I'm not sure how scattered it is.