OE, I respect your insights I do, but when do you suggest or suppose enough is enough?

WFirst of all Trippin, it's really not up to me to decide when enough is enough when it comes to his marriage and this challenge.


Where does the OP draw the line in the sand and do what's best for him and his sons?I can't tell him that either, the decision has to be his, all I am doing is offering some of the reasons for the behaviors he has shared about his wife. I think he is trying to learn the "whys" so he can understand it and come to his "own" choice on what to do with this challenge.


When does the decay of this marriage stop being solely about appeasing the Mrs?
First of all, HE cannot fix her, she needs help with that.
Boundaries have been challenged, trust has suffered a blow, and from what he has shared, it really sounds like his wife is also struggling with low self esteem and doesn't know "what" to do next so she pulls back and gets confused and doesn't know what to do, they need help with this.

When do his needs, wants and desires get to matter?Well,
from what he has shared, his wife is seeing "his" needs as "him in control,
which is wrong, they both have to establish new boundaries and learn to communicate with each other.

I'm sorry if I haven't been the most empathetic poster on this thread, but I personally just think this whole "woman scorned" bit has been done to death.I don't think it's a contest as to who is better at whatever,
different posters offer their advice and are trying to be supportive and helpful. None of the posters get to hear her side of this situation either.


You don't give someone you love hope like that and then 60 seconds later do a complete 180 and smash their heart to pieces all over again. It's cold and callous.I agree, from what he has shared in his experience,
it sounds like his wife is still too stuck on the hurt and being very insecure as to what to do next.


Its just plain wrong.