yeah Timber, i think you describe the majority, and, as majority, thats where focus should begin... darn right guys are tired... nnot that women dont get tired too..

its symptomatic of these times.. its only been about 50 years that America became a two income family...

not to say there were some evil plots or anything, but, i do think that money makers saw opportunity in that... and began to mass asvertise and offer easy financing and basically quickly filled up that new income level with more debt and stress...

now a majority are stuck... barely making ends meet and still, the money people want us to get in deeper... who profits from all this? the advertisers, the lawyers, the ones who keep putting more out there to lure us in deeper... its a bad cycle from our side... and, being less organized than the data processing mega machine of profit, it just keeps piling up.... until ... we can get it across to "them" that its enough already...

if its time that steals the happy, we just have to put our feet down and say it... ENOUGH! and steal back our time so we can give and care for our loved ones again...

the loss of family is possibly the biggest contributor to the unhappiness and exhaustion that surrounds us.. just 5 hours a week can change our childrens lives...

for some, and i am one, this time shortage is something ive had to make a change about, comfortable or not.. but, then, as a single, this is easy for me to say..

but, i still care for my mom, who else would? so, just because im not married doesnt mean i have no family..

and more, the lifestyle we have in USA has also robbed us of enough time to care for our own parents, siblings... the advertisers distract us with more toys.. which are fine, really, but, not the most important thing in life imo...

i really feel that its time we get back to what matters... people...

thanks for your two Timber... hang in there man...