To no one in particular: Well, I don't wish to jump into the middle of any discussion, actually. I would like to interject though that if someone is going to use the Bible as reference, then they ought to be actively reading it, for accuracy. I personally know that there are many beliefs about these subjects, and everyone is "entitled" to what they want to believe. (That doesn't make anyone right by belief.) I do wish that if you are supposedly "quoting" what the Bible says, that you do so accurately, and also follow it with an accurate analysis. I am really in amazement though that this topic is so hot right at the time Christians celebrate the birth of the Savior, Jesus Christ, and I don't believe in coincidences. TC