Thanks Keb n NWTR n Joe and Perna I am reading the article and moggles took my fire fox off my laptop since it is running stupid vista and IE7 and it kept closing on me some bug that both dont work well together...so microsoft sucks!!! (but don't met moggles hear me say that since I am always sticking up for them Oh well...I think I do that cause he so adamant on opensource...Mel