julie... i know that place well... and i could come up with many reasons for you to stop...but when it comes to me... it is harder... when i get to this place ... i am there too right now... my t pulls out the pic of my grandbaby he keeps and asks me ... if it was her... what would you tell her... would you tell her it's her body and she isn't hurting anyone but herself ... it kind of puts it in perspective... the thought that she would feel anything close to this kind of pain breaks my heart...lyn