Pain is pain and it is debilitating. I am not qualified to speak to this but DOC JOHN, can you help us find a pain specialist to visit here who knows about compliments to western medicine and pain management? I think it would be so helpful. Pain pills are an inadequate, stinky option. Lets find someone qualified to speak to accupunture, nutrition, herbs, P.T. and everything else available out there? Please Doc, can you help us?