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Old Mar 28, 2018, 10:16 PM
OblivionIsAtHand OblivionIsAtHand is offline
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Originally Posted by starrysky View Post
But how do you know for sure?
We know, based on what we know about the brain, that when you expire (truly expire) your consciousness is eradicated. A wave of “spreading depression” kicks in and the cells shut down. The essence of you eventually becomes no more. It stops. It doesn't go anywhere. Now there IS some debate if your consciousness lasts for a few minutes after death. But it certainly doesn't travel anywhere (it merely is no more). It's all contained in that organ. It does not unhinge from its body. And why would it necessarily go to a spiritual/other realm if it did? Well and then someone says "but it could though!" Well, no. It couldn't. We know that consciousness emanates from the brain and stays self-contained within the brain (because consciousness is a concept that exclusively applies to the brain) until it stops. We KNOW it doesn't move anywhere, because what was your consciousness was triggered by an organ. No designer except for nature itself made this organ. We are nothing more than our brains: our identity at least.

We know, based on what empirical evidence we have, that there is no spiritual (because spiritual implies "relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.", which flies in the face of the tangible - although intangibility does not necessarily render it non-existent - or empirically proven. Why believe in the intangible notion of spirituality merely because it's something that we do not see before us? We have ways of explaining the intangible as well, and none of it includes souls or a godly source emanating from you etc.) or other realm outside the current. Given the tools we have (which I might add, if a creator really wanted us to believe in him/her/it they would want to make it abundantly clear that they are real and providing us with the tools of logic and reason and science that lead away from his/her/its existence would seem entirely pointless unless you believe that getting to know the creator truly is a test. Well, if it's a test, there lies the option to conclude that the creator is not real: why would a creator want such a trial? Especially when the most convincing evidence that the supposedly omniscient being allowed refutes its existence.), they disprove any kind of immaterial existence that we migrate to because it's illogical based on what we know is possible. We have tools that show us what's in the universe/HOW things work. You could go solely off of 'faith' and blindly hitch your wagon to an idea that you believe in 'just because' and eschew all tools given to us that make sense of our reality and not believe in what is presented before you, but that'd be akin to believing in something like telekinesis just because it sounds cool. If it sounds cool, therefore it must be real.

Say you're not even religious and you're not sure about the idea of an after-life. What would having knowledge of an after-life (and I'm presuming you're viewing it as something other than a paradise or a really bad place where you roast in eternity), really do for you? What if the after-life was just a short blip of time? If it's such an unknown entity to you, and you forever see it as unknowable, why bother worrying about it?

I probably better stop here. This is supposed to be a sanctuary. I shouldn't have posted on this thread.

Last edited by OblivionIsAtHand; Mar 29, 2018 at 12:11 AM.
Thanks for this!
amicus_curiae, Medusax, Olanza-what?