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Old Mar 30, 2018, 02:09 AM
OblivionIsAtHand OblivionIsAtHand is offline
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First off, starrysky, I didn't consider this 'arguing' so much as just casual debate. That's fine.

wolfgaze, thanks for that. Certainly never claimed to be a scholar. Far, far from it. Even though I assert, I have no doubt I'll encounter wrongness (possibly much); I'm not too humbled these days, but I expect it and appreciate it. I wouldn't say I'm indoctrinated into scientific materialism, so I'm willing to listen. I always enjoy expanding my definition of concepts, and that's interesting what you present to me. Some of the sources seem questionable. I'll have to check them out. I certainly disagree with: that everything and everybody are connected, that all of our thoughts will exist forever and have an impact on both ourselves and our surroundings, and that death as such does not exist.

I'd always considered consciousness - the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world. I was definitely speaking in reductionist terms to save time, and I shouldn't have said consciousness is only localized to the brain. To the mind and body I should say. Though you'd have to break down, or reduce for me, how consciousness extends beyond mind and body. I know it can influence things outside itself.

But you'd have to further clarify how our mind extends beyond our physical selves. Mind
, I suppose is, pretty open to interpretation. There's an article that suggests 'In other words, our mind is not simply our perception of experiences, but those experiences themselves.' That's certainly an expanded definition that I've not really considered.
And I should also ask, for curiosity's sake, what this evolved idea of consciousness means to you? Does it make you believe in life after death etc.? This still would not change much for me. I still believe your essence is wiped away after death.

"If consciousness is not a product of the brain it would mean that the human physicality is not required for the continuation of consciousness, or consciousness itself." - From an article. Certainly an interesting concept.

I'm certainly skeptical of this notion that "people have the ability to project their consciousness outside of our body and view another remote location." I take fields of study like parapsychology with a grain of salt typically.

Someone would have to really sell me the idea that human perception extends beyond the reach of the senses.

Do you consider consciousness the means by which aspects of our experience are represented, stored, retrieved and shared with other minds via language and other signals?

Last edited by OblivionIsAtHand; Mar 30, 2018 at 02:52 AM.
Thanks for this!
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