Cheers Entity06 for your response and insight.
I want to preface the response below by saying that
I am not in denial. I explained why and how I am not in denial in my last post to you and if you still think I may still be in denial then that's your right but I won't be responding to denial claims.
I also want to point out that since ending my lesbian porn/erotic films use that I have watched since aged 14, as expected lesbian thoughts that were inspired by viewing such content have all gone away. I will continue no more porn/erotic content use forever now and I expect the thoughts will fade away completely. if they don't, then that's when I can reevaluate whether or not there is something more but no need to do that now.
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Originally Posted by Entity06
[/I]Honestly, this is a bit confusing. While women are allowed by society to be a lot more open and experimental about their sexuality and just generally what can arouse them, I think that since it's been a common theme to find sexual release and imagine sex with women, it is likely more than just fantasy without any actual desire.
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I completely understand how my reality is confusing to you, but I am going to strongly disagree with the part highlighted in bold. My experience around actual people goes against your point. The fact is I feel no desire for women that I have met, interacted with and see everyday for the past 30 years, not romantically or sexually. It isnt denial but as stated I am not going to keep reemphasizing that.
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[/I]Does sexuality include thoughts? Of course it does. First of all, thinking about something is the first step towards making it real. You won't have sex with someone without thinking(more or less consciously) that you want to have sex with them, right? Plus, don't we generally get a sense of our sexuality by analyzing our thoughts and feelings regarding those around us and other stimuli?[/B]
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I am sorry Entity06 but I've done quite a bit of research this past week that has helped inform me and made me feel less alone and less confused. Much of the research I've been doing disagrees with your point above.
-Many people including sex therapists agree that same sex thoughts/fantasies do not necessarily determine or indicate one's sexual orientation. Many people think of things to get off that they would never engage in.
-Nothing I have read has suggested that time length of sexual thoughts is an indication of one's sexual orientation. If you have anything to share to suggest otherwise, please do.
-Everything I have read so far explains that when defining one's sexual orientation, it is best to rely on feeling one feels around actual people.
-Porn is not a good indication and I would extend that to erotic content. Women in particular research have found are able to respond to sexual stimulus regardless of the gender.
To sum up, your focus is on my thoughts and time length and by what I've read from your post Entity06, I understand you believe because of this I am not straight. I want to illustrate your hypothesis of my sexuality:
If someone has spent 15 years on and off watching videos of animals or objects and then going off to masturbate to thoughts of being intimate with an animal or an object but had no desire to make those those thoughts come true, what would their sexual orientation be? If they told you that when they interacted with the actual animals they feel no desire and so are confused how they only feel desire in their thoughts which are usually inspired by the images they viewed and that they did not feel any desire to make those thoughts come true, would you question if they were in denial simply for not feeling a desire to make those thoughts come true? Just because this is about women and same sex it does not make it any different than my illustration above.
From my own rational mind, no I wouldn't think the person has a sexual leaning towards animals despite the time length of the thoughts they had. I would rationally think well when you are around animals and you are not aroused or feel any attracton then you are not inclined that way. And I think Ive spent a whole week learning that sexuality and labels are not that confusing. If I ever get aroused and feel a sexual or even romantic connection to a woman I meet then that's when I can define myself as bisexual or a lesbian. Until then I am going by my feelings around real people and not thoughts. So I can acknowledge that I do find some men attractive, I may or may not decide to engage romantically with a guy based on this attraction. I can acknowledge that I have no such reaction to women I have met and never have and can conclude from that, that I am not sexually or romantically attracted to women who exist in flesh and discount thoughts that I no longer have since stopping the viewing porn a week ago.
I think we have to be careful in using the word denial on every situation just because someones behavior isnt matching up as well as ours have, for example you explain that you have watched gay porn but have never fantasized about it? Cool but thats your situation, not everyone is you though and your understanding of the topic of sexuality around your personal experience and basing it on that is not helpful especially when other people as highlighted above including sex therapists don't necessarily agree with you in that same sex thoughts/fantasies are not necessarily an indication of one's sexual orientation.
Lol, if only my reality was that I actually liked women. I would be elated to have all my behaviors and thoughts match up. No one has a clue the mental stress this confusion has caused me but this past week individually researching has helped me out tremendously. I hope this post helps someone else out because I know how lonely of a road this has been. I understand myself better now having spent the week researching and learning more about porn, fantasies and sexuality.