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Old Apr 11, 2018, 08:35 PM
Olive303 Olive303 is offline
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Originally Posted by Rose76 View Post
I remember how much pressure your mom and sis were putting on you in your own home, based on what you related. To me they sounded way out of line and your guy was justifiably resentful. You indicated this was a pattern with them. Then you rationalized that they "only want what is best" for you. That's what I mean. You really go the extra mile to appreciate their viewpoint. Read what I wrote in that thread. You seemed to be very uncomfortable with backing them off, which means it's hard for you to maintain appropriate boundaries and get those boundaries respected - at least with your family. Now you are very sympathetic to your guy's claim of being chronically, severely depressed and believing he couldn't possibly cope with fatherhood. You are very generous in seeing all of their points of view - a bit overly generous perhaps.

This young man didn't pick you out of the crowd randomly. You're probably not the first person he dated. He could have moved on after dating you, but he didn't. He knows what he wants in a mate, and you've got it! Now what would that be? You sound like a good catch: young, nice, caring, intelligent. I'm sure he appreciates all of that. But you also have a track record of letting others try to set your agenda for you - at least that's how you described the family situation. He noticed that all right. I also thought he sounded like a healthy influence encouraging you to be more emancipated from Mom & Sis. Now I see where he where he might be attracted to a woman who puts his agenda ahead of her own. I think you mentioned somewhere that he can get a bit sullen when he's not happy with what's going on. That sulleness - if it exists - is the hallmark of a person who can be pretty stubborn about getting their own way. Beware of a man who's inclined to sulk. I grew up with a father like that (and I'm a bit like that, myself.) That is a technique of pressuring that works particularly well in a relationship with a woman who likes to please.

You have so much compassion for his depression and all the childhood sorrows that have fed into it. Watch out: Depressives can be like drunks. Each has a disease they didn't ask for. But, if you cater too much to either of them, they never learn to "manage" their disease. Don't be an enabler.

Your boyfriend gas a right to his own agenda - if it is healthy . . . if it makes some kind of sense. You have a right to critique that agenda and see if everything in it is what you want to promote. When we were still both real young, my brother told me, "I don't ever want any kids because they just drain a man of all his money." (He always heard our father whining about how hard it was to support a family.) Then my brother ended relationships with a series of girlfriends who wanted kids. Now my brother lives an absolutely miserable, barren life. He made darn sure no young woman trapped him into something he was looking to avoid. I wish one of them had. He was pursuing a stupid agenda, and he got what he wanted - no big responsibilities. His life sucks. And he's chronically dealing with mental health issues that he sees coming from his "unbalanced brain." I think his brain was basically okay. But his thinking sure wasn't. Your boyfriend is not my brother. But I sense there is something unhealthy in his not wanting what it is normal to want. I link that to him being "severely depressed" on an on-going basis, which I think gets to be a form of self-indulgence. As with drunks: AA tells its members that they may always be alcoholic, but they don't have to keep drinking.

I think your guy is wanting a set-up where he will always be your - and his - main priority . . . with no pesky kid around soaking up any of your, or his, attention. And you, sweet thing that you are, can totally see where maybe that's just the way he really needs to live. I think you're being had.
Yes I agree that I am generous in seeing others viewpoints. I have always struggled with issues around boundaries with my family. One example is currently They have been pushing me to quit my job when I myself don’t believe that to be the best move. I have told them I do not want to do that right now. I don’t think it’s appropriate for my family to make decisions about MY career.

They do “want what’s best” but they don’t always know what’s best. What’s best for them may not be best for me. And it’s up to me to be inflenced by them or not. That is a decision that I make and I am working on setting those boundaries and doing things for myself the way I want them to. Not letting them dictate what I do with my life.

I am his first girlfriend and his first serious relationship. He is not my first. I know he wants a partner who does have their own career and life but I also think he appreciates getting his own way. His mom had a very successful career, made more money than his dad, and is her own person. He always appearciated this independence. He has done compromising and so have I.

His reason behind not wanting kids is NOT because of depression. He never said that. I believe he would have a difficult time being a parent because of his depression. I mentioned depression because someone talked about what kind of parent he would be and attachment and I know having a parent with depression can be difficult on a child. He is very ashamed of his depression and did not even mention it until 3 years into our relationship. He rarely talks about it.

He does not want kids simply because he does not like the lifestyle of a parent, the financial burden, the responsibility. He does not enjoy the company of children. Yes he likes it when it is just the two of us or us with some friends. I don’t think that him not wanting to be a father is something that’s so wrong and bad. Some people just don’t want to be Parents and that’s okay. It’s a 24/7 job and if you can’t do that then you shouldn’t parent. He knows he can’t. Your brother is miserable- possibly because he’s alone. but I think my boyfriend would be unhappy as a father. He is more than happy to commit to a marriage. Sure he wants me all to himself without any pesky kids but he never wanted kids. Even before he met me.
Thanks for this!
Rose76