I don't know why my own old bf memories popped into mind. Had 1 guy tell me that it couldn't work "because" he said I miraculously didn't like kids. Had another guy say "because" the exact opposite reason-that I was going to want kids and he wasn't planning on them. Go figure. Neither of them made sense looking back on it.

Anyways. Some men don't want to be seen as the villain. They'd rather be seen as the victim. (note...works both genders but for all intents and purposes of this thread) People do sometimes tell themselves lies even to themselves to lessen the guilt or grief.

Those 2 were my in between rebounds. Not marriage talk which does make the intensity different, yet, that's what sprang to my mind as I was reading the thread.