The second one just retired although is still doing what she calls expressive arts and wellness but not psychotherapy. She could not describe the difference to me, but got slightly huffy when I pointed it out. She went on a bit about licensing and I said I did not think a therapist license meant anything at all. She seems to think higher of her (now old) profession than I do.
Then she told me I had damned her with faint praise. I do wish I could remember what I said.