Good point, I'm likely gonna check out one meeting anyway, just to see how it is, at the less-preachy-sounding one. Shy me who prefers books has to be dragged out to something new. I don't do "new" very easily when it comes to new people. You might or might not remember that it took me over a YEAR to finally go to a circle with my drumming group after I found them on meetup.com..... lol the fact that i'm considering attending one of these meetings already tomorrow is HUGE.