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Old Aug 19, 2018, 11:08 AM
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Whoo-boy, where to start? Looks like I knocked over the bee's nest with this one. lol But in a good way. First, Dechan, relax. There are no mental giants, here. lol At least, not on my end. I've just had a lot of time to try to piece together an idea of what is going on beneath our perception. And the current theories of the universe are that all the stars will die out, and unless we learn how to brute-force tow stars with some form of field propulsion, eventually, the entropy in the universe will overtake everything, and it will all become dark as the black holes begin circling each other like debris running down the drain, leading to a single black hole in the entire universe. After that--who knows? Another big bang, maybe? And Amicus, all of our "arguing" is fast becoming the stuff of gossip--"Did you hear Amicus' response to Wolves' latest thread??" lmao Very stimulating and healthy.

Now, then. To start with, you accept that mathematics is the lingua franca of the universe. I agree with you that we have only the most rudimentary vocabulary at our disposal to speak with nature. However, what I meant by algebra being around at the dawn of man is just that--homo sapiens. Astrophysics has only been around 150 years or so. The periodic table of elements has only been around the same amount of time. Yes, the elements were present in the earth, but our understanding of them was not. That is what I speak of. Algebra was figured out by man long before anything else was because necessity is the mother of invention. And if you think the Sphinx is only 4,000 years old, you're off by about, oh, 4,000 years (seriously, in the book, Before They Were Pharaohs, the author makes a very scientifically-valid argument about how the Romans resurfaced the Sphinx to repair it, throwing off carbon-dating). The sphinx is so old it was exposed to floods up to its neck--in the middle of the desert. The pyramids are just as old--they are from pre-dynastic Egypt.

The point is, algebra, and most assuredly trigonometry, were required to build them. Our first science, therefore, was mathematics, which the priesthood of Egypt guarded in secrecy because that knowledge was power. They could predict eclipses and floods and other natural wonders, which made them gods among men, and allowed them to rule uncontested for thousands of years.

Thus, mathematics has been around a lot longer than our puny understanding of the universe. And just like in that movie Arrival, which utilized the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis to amazing effect, our language (mathematics) affects our perception of reality. This is what I was implying by saying it is unwise for humanity to "move" the goal posts of two very primal forces of nature because it will change the collective perception of them and limit our understanding.

As human beings, we absolutely require for our psychological well-being the existence of an ultimate negativity, whether you call it evil, decay, entropy, or Thanatos, and the existence of an ultimate positivity, whether you call it good, creation, light, or God. We require these poles to exist because they underpin our perception of reality and give us a framework to put into context everything that occurs in the brief span of our lives. This is not a form of religiosity, it is a function of the universe in which we live, and a function of the physical aspects of our brains.

We live in a binary universe--there are two poles: negative and positive. This polarity is seen much more dramatically at the quantum level as revealed through mathematics. Our brains, while analog, are also binary. Everything operates on the binary level. 0/1, yes/no, etc. This is an important point for one reason: because Alain Aspect proved the holographic nature of our universe back in the 80s, and this was recently upheld in major physics journals and websites, like this one and this one. (The first one you may have to just agree to their terms to use the site, but it's not spam.) In a two-dimensional field, there is only yes/no, 0/1, positive/negative. This is what I mean by holographic, not that we are merely photons and I can pass my hand right through you.

Why is the binary nature of the universe important? Because energy transmission has to occur through some mechanism, or we would be stuck in a static universe. How does energy get transmitted? Through waves and their functions, and in particular, the simple sine wave. And Bohmian mechanics, unlike Einstein, got it right. Einstein's theories are 99% correct, but they can't account for the very small, only the very large. Bohm's physics accounts for both quantum and macro-scopic physics. In the Bohm universe, everything is deterministic--but not without choice.

That is where I come in with my theory that attempts to reconcile both Bohm and Einstein, and to a lesser extent, Heisenberg (whose uncertainty principle evaporates when Bohm's pilot wave calculations are applied), Planck and Schröedinger. I argue that wave is a sine wave because it is the simplest form of fractal in the universe. What is a fractal? Wikipedia defines it as, "A fractal is a natural phenomenon or a mathematical set that exhibits a repeating pattern that displays at every scale. It is also known as expanding symmetry or evolving symmetry." It requires two numbers to generate a fractal, through division. Our universe has been proven to operate on fractals--one only needs to watch an episode of Scientific American Frontiers and their special on such math, to see that scientists have proven that everything from the way arteries form to deliver oxygen to our brains to the way the interstate system "grew" to deliver people to their jobs, is based on fractals. This also applies to the natural world. Everything from the way rivers form to the way trees grow to the way mountains form--all fractal patterns.

Thus, the binary nature of the universe is established and proven. Now, since we know that the universe is binary, and forms according the principles of fractals, we now have a pattern. Yes, it's far too complicated to "map out" because who can account for every single particle in the universe in a single algorithm? Does such an algorithm exist? Most assuredly yes, but we haven't found it yet, and it would probably require a chalkboard the length of a football field to write it out. But we know that in a Bohmian universe, it is at least possible, no matter how improbable.

Now, back to the sine wave issue--the reason I am certain that the sine wave is the pattern is because while nature might seem random, we know that randomness to be merely our limited perception of it. Nature evolves for one purpose: efficiency. In other words, how to do the most amount of "work" for the least amount of "effort." This is a fundamental law. This is why arteries form the way they do. That is nature's modus operandi, if you will. In our universe, you're either transferring energy to something else, or you're static, and nothing in our universe is static--there is always motion. All of creation has thus evolved around the purpose of energy transmission, and that energy transmission is always in the form of a sine wave. Only mankind produces square and saw tooth waves--nothing else in nature does. Even if you argue that geysers, for instance, are more of a saw tooth wave, you can still "zoom" down to the surface of that wave and find it comprised of smaller sine waves, not saw tooth waves. Hence, sine waves are the ultimate building block of the universe.

Now, we have blue prints, and the language of the universe. We already know that language is extremely important in our perception of the universe as well thanks to the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis. This was exemplified in that movie, Arrival, as I mentioned above.

Then, we move on to the nature of higher order intelligence occurring spontaneously from a swarm of lesser order intelligence creatures. When the number of creatures in the swarm hits a critical threshold, that greater intelligence forms automatically and spontaneously, and here's the kicker: Such an occurrence violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics! Yes, that's right, entropy fails to account for how such a thing could come about. I posit that the same thing is occurring to human consciousness on a vast time scale as we evolve. Our planet is coming close to hitting the critical threshold, so now is not the time to be attempting to play with our collective language by attempting to move the "goal-posts" of the absolutes that we need based on the whim of the latest cause célèbre. We need those absolutes as anchors to tie our consciousness to. We as human beings need structure.

My point about religions is this: Every culture in human history that has spawned some type of theological framework has attempted to put into words the vision of the mind's eye. Arabesques are fractal patterns. The yin-yang of Taoism is a fractal pattern. The good/evil dynamic of Christianity is a fractal pattern. All of these religions have been for countless millennia attempting to describe the ineffable. Our perceptions shifting is dangerous only for us, not for any effect it will have on the physical universe (which is arguably nil), because our perception is shaped by our language. The patterns are there whether we choose to see them or not; merely acknowledging what millions of people see is not seeking patterns where there are none, it's accepting reality for what it is.

We evolved the ability to see patterns for a reason, most likely multiple reasons, but it all comes back to the fact that there are fractal patterns in nature that point to something else going on beyond the limits of our perceptions. Clearly, nature intends for us some as-yet-unknown purpose, but our consciousness is moving towards that singularity of higher order, just as it does in smaller animals.

Also, energy transforms to matter when it is slowed, so that when excited particles cross the light barrier, they become pure energy. This is in perfect keeping with the Law of the Conservation of Energy. Energy is never destroyed, only changes phases. And here's why that's important: if we live in a holographic universe, and full holographic images can be generated from holographic film that has been halved multiple times down to the smallest form that it is possible to still run a laser through, that means that our essence is never destroyed so long as a single particle from us exists. This holographic weirdness was discovered by Bohm in the sixties when he was experimenting with lasers.

Furthermore, our units of time are the only thing artificial about time. Time itself is an integral part of reality; space-time is a mathematical construct that allows us to perceive time mathematically so that we can then use it in our formulae. Therefore, nature most assuredly repeats on every scale the same pattern over and over. When Nature finds something that works, it sticks with it.

Nothing in this requires a creator God, but in these terms, God can be thought of as the ultimate positive pole, and the Devil as the ultimate negative pole, with humans existing somewhere on the spectrum between. There is more to consciousness than mere existence and survival. And I think I'll post this now so I don't take an entire page with one post. lol Thank you again for all the responses. I'm really enjoying

this!




Come to my house for homemade waffles. Five stars for this post.

That last paragraph. Yes. Victor Hugo said if there was not a God we would have to invent him/her. Although in advanced Buddhist philosophy the polarities collapse, many misinformed have taken this to mean "anything goes" on a relative level, and hence the "basic goodness" tripe of watered down western Buddhism, which has allowed all kinds of wrongdoing and mischief and stupidity, because of confusing the absolute with the relative. We need polarities. I really like how you put it...for our psychological well-being. Nice.

Why am I still here in the shark pond???? Don't know. Fascination and the dangerous delight of "bearing witness" to the crew that is keeping this delicious thread going.
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Thanks for this!
Michael2Wolves