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Originally Posted by marvin_pa
Yes, programs/programming imply design & a designer - let's tackle that one, right away...
Say the universe began from a point of singularity, the ole big bang... Applying the scientific/logical processes currently available to us would then lead us to consider, what/who laid in place the matter/energy/sequence of events to initiate that big bang? Then we have to to consider what/who laid in place the matter/energy/sequence of events to initiate that initiation? And so on. Matter/energy, as we understand them, don't atrophy into nothing, nor can they spontaneously arise from nothing.
Until a credible theory is evolved to explain that conundrum, it is logical to see the timeline of the universe as a series of consequential events. The element of design/designer comes in, because we do not yet have any other way to explain the initiation of that series of consequential events.
And that series of consequential events is a program. Remember, a running program does not automatically imply a predetermined program end, if that program is capable of run-time modification, either via it's own coding (intentional self modification), or by external factors (coding errors/data corruption/not enough lead in the solder flux/Vogon bypass construction).
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Marvin,
Frankly, I would posit a rogue group of aliens as first cause rather than an unseeable spirit.
You see a conundrum which
must be considered where I see the unknowable. I’m not going to attempt to know the unknown because that puts me on the path of a crazed Möbius strip when I’d rather live and soak in all of the lively and lovely bubble baths that I can.
As ardently as I adhered to the One True Church, outside of which there is no salvation, I have
always been a sensualist first. As often as I confessed my sensual sins, I ran from the confessional to the backseat of my ’68 Mustang to kiss the current lovely girl. Since leaving the Church I only see wickedly comedy and egregious tragedy and realize, much too late!, that sensuality bred such a tremendous affirmation of life.
I’m unrepentant of the pleasures given and gained.
I don’t believe in a consequential Universe. It seems that there are new discoveries daily that defy our most revered certainties and that contribute to the belief of Universal randomness. B does not always follow A and the laws and theories that are held dear on this orb most certainly do not stand on others.
Do you believe in Darwinian evolution? I do. And what I know of evolution is that it can be observed but never, never
predicted. Evolution follows from mutation and going from dinosaurs to birds is a comical mystery. We can offer hypothetical explanations but cannot even conjecture the smallest mutations that must have occurred.
If there was program it’s buggy as Hades.