Good stuff guys, it is helping me to think more fully. Perna where do you keep finding links to whatever ANYONE is talking about. You are a librarian I bet!? ow in seriousness, I am sorry cedarS that you were raised beside me. Do we have the same parental units? It stinks that we can relate to each other but I am also glad that we can share and that does help a LOT. Perna, can you tell these docs to get their acts together? Thanks,